Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

[gta95]

$60 is a lot of money to spend on a video game. Factor in the price of the console, TV, electricity, and time. Gaming comes out to be an expensive hobby. When I spend $60, I expect atleast a halfway decent game.

[aka_HorseChoker]

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While appreciate them doing an article. Its a little lame how much effort has been put towards bashing this game.

You ever come to think that maybe they are bashing the game because,you know,it isn't very good. Of course if it were an EA Sports game,you would have agreed with every point the guy made.

[Shockgeez04]

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$60 is a lot of money to spend on a video game. Factor in the price of the console, TV, electricity, and time. Gaming comes out to be an expensive hobby. When I spend $60, I expect at least a halfway decent game.

you are going overboard by implying 2K8 isnt even halfway decent, even if its not a better game than The Show I still find it plays a good game of baseball with very few slider tweaks

[CS10029]

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You ever come to think that maybe they are bashing the game because,you know,it isn't very good. Of course if it were an EA Sports game,you would have agreed with every point the guy made.

Haha are you kidding me. I still try out EA sports games. I love the NHL game and NCAA is decent. MLB could be better, the same thing with the EA games, but the quality of 2Ks games to that of EAs differs drastically.

I just don't get why this article needs to be posted, when for the most part the people of this site like the game. Im sure this article had to be approved by someone, and I just don't see why its necessary.

[Star1]

Refund?

Dude should have rented it first...

Nobody owes him d***.

[Blzer]

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I am one of the people that felt like this game was going to be a major letdown. I read the impressions the first day, and thought to myself, "Crap, what did you guys do, 2K?"

Then I downloaded the demo and played the game...

The gameplay is so much better than last year. Now hitting, pitching, fielding, and baserunning aren't actually a chore to make your own sacrifices to make the game harder for yourself. For instance, closing your eyes to move the ball cursor while pitching to miss your spots sometimes; not ever holding up on the left-analog stick while batting to prevent HR derbies; tapping the throwing meter instead of holding it every time while throwing to reduce the ball velocity just a little bit; using baseburner mode to try and steal runners with less ease. We shouldn't have to have these stupid fixes just to address gameplay issues.

And now the four fundamentals have not only been resolved for the most part, but they have become fun. Don't tell me that pitching isn't more fun with the new controls, that batting is more dynamic and smoother with 60 FPS, that right-stick throwing and using cut-offs to throw runners out now feel rewarding. Gameplay issues have, for the most part, been addressed and resolved, and now people are showing their true colors. It seems as through visuals and presentation was more important to you guys than you once thought. Take a look at the MLB 2K8 wishlist thread and read how many "Fix gameplay!" posts there are. They do it, and we still complain that 2K8 wasn't a step in the right direction.

As for me? I am a major graphics whore. I am very disappointed in the overall detail, color, and lighting... but I would take that kind of hit for 60 FPS and anti-aliasing eight days a week. Hopefully next year they can be heavily improved on. But I don't think Brinkman gave us any false hope this year. He was very outright with all of the things he said, and I think we got what we were told we were going to get.

It's not necessarily that the series took a step back. In some ways, I do think that it did... but only to jump back forward again in the future. I don't know jack about memory, processing power, or anything like that, but if the 360 version is holding the PS3 version back, I say they screw the 360 like they did the PS2, and go as much as they can with the PS3 version when they will have to limit themselves with the 360 version. Only then, hopefully we will find where this series wants to be with 2K9. Most fundamental gameplay issues have been resolved... now let's pretty up this series again. I still have faith in this series, but I think 2K9 is their last chance for me. If they aren't going in the right direction by then, then I will have lost all hope.




EDIT: If there was one thing they did wrong this year (not necessarily in terms of development, but something I think they could have held back on), it's the playable minor leagues. I think that could have waited a year or two, but that's just me. I have yet to play the retail version (only the demo), so I can't speak first-hand on how cool they are in the game. But the lack of many generic stances doesn't excite me too much.

[awesomepatrol]

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EDIT: If there was one thing they did wrong this year (not necessarily in terms of development, but something I think they could have held back on), it's the playable minor leagues. I think that could have waited a year or two, but that's just me. I have yet to play the retail version (only the demo), so I can't speak first-hand on how cool they are in the game. But the lack of many generic stances doesn't excite me too much.

Wait, so you've launched into this lengthy diatribe defending the game and you have, you know, yet to actually play it?

Because I can tell you, it ain't running at 60fps. It's more like (60 - 55) fps.

[CS10029]

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Wait, so you've launched into this lengthy diatribe defending the game and you have, you know, yet to actually play it?

Because I can tell you, it ain't running at 60fps. It's more like (60 - 55) fps.

You obviously know very little about seeing.

[awesomepatrol]

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You obviously know very little about seeing.

Indeed. Me and all of the hundreds of posters -- and, in fact, 2K themselves -- who have acknowledged this patent flaw.

We must all be EA shills.

[CS10029]

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Do you realize what 5 FPS would look like? Honestly come on.

[baa7]

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"commentary was exactly the same"
-jon miller & joe morgan last year is still better than any other baseball game commentary this year (and still better than a lot of other sports games) if i ain't broke don't fix it

That's a BAD example to use to if you're trying to plug the game. The commentary is years old, hasn't been updated since 2K5, is buggy and wrong a good portion of the time and thanks to Joe is irrelevent much of the time, and doesn't track in-game or seasonal hitting/pitching streaks. That other game probably has a dozen event sound files for every one that's in 2K. If we're talking ratings, 2K's commentary is a 2 or 3 compared with The Show's 10.

[maverick3176]

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While appreciate them doing an article. Its a little lame how much effort has been put towards bashing this game.

you are right, they have put more effort into bashing the game than 2k did into making the damn thing. Listen, bottom line, if you make a bad game...expect it to be bashed. That is part of the deal. I cant remember the last sports title where the graphics got worse from one year to the next. If you can enjoy this game...you can have fun with most games.

[Artman22]

I completely agree with the article. This game went completely backwards. The game deserves a 5 not even a 6. The player models are horrible. They have small heads that dont go with the bodys at all. This game is a complete disapointment. People need to stop being fanboys. I love 2k but this game is bad. 2k6 to 2k7 imo was a big jump. 2k7 to 2k8 went backwards. Fanboys will defend this game to the end. It's sad that people wont accept that this game is just not good, And this is coming from a guy who liked 2k7.

[spankdatazz22]

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I hope they bash Madden like this when it comes out.

Yeah it's the new OS - had to double check to make sure I wasn't at IGN at first.

Madden'll never get bashed; if this were in the Madden forum it'd have to be placed in the all-encompassing "place your bad comments here" thread. Besides Madden has had four years to get it right - and will get longer if necessary. Madden's bar is simply to be better than it was the year before, not to be the best it should be (EA at it's most clever - make the game suck the first year; they'll appreciate half-azzed games in subsequent years).

As far as a refund goes... guess I'm shocked at how little improvements in gameplay mean nowadays. And I'd say the gameplay enhancements were fairly significant. Even with as great as I've heard The Show is this year, I think there would be disappointment if they didn't make some gameplay changes next year. It could be argued those changes would come anyway because of the title evolving, but I think a fairly significant reason would be because of what 2K8 did with it's control changes to liven up it's gameplay.

[CS10029]

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That's a BAD example to use to if you're trying to plug the game. The commentary is years old, hasn't been updated since 2K5, is buggy and wrong a good portion of the time and thanks to Joe is irrelevent much of the time, and doesn't track in-game hitting events or seasonal hitting streaks. That other game probably has a dozen event sound files for every one that's in 2K. If we're talking ratings, 2K's commentary is a 2 or 3 compared with The Show's 10.

Ill agree there, the commentary is tough to listen to most of the time, if not all the time. I've learned to block them out though.