Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

[DMB82]

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LMAO @ the people who are taking shots at OS. this is the most moderated and well run site as far as gaming goes on the net. I been here long time. pretty much garbage gets called garbage and good stuff gets called good stuff i have never felt or seen an anti 2k or ea agenda with this site. up until recently most of the comments were user generated anyway and fans each have their own opinion so you cant label the site as anti 2k. lol. just ridiculous.

I don't think this site is anywhere NEAR harsh enough on 2K. I would go one step farther than just pointing out the poor quality of the game, IMO they should be addressing the issue with the MLB in the columns on why the league continues to allow this company to have a monopoly on making their games.

[CMH]

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Lets get this straight...

I agree with you. I just want a good baseball game.

I'm happy with 2k8's gameplay. Obviously, there are many other things that 2k9 needs to work on.

[roadman]

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I don't think this site is anywhere NEAR harsh enough on 2K. I would go one step farther than just pointing out the poor quality of the game, IMO they should be addressing the issue with the MLB in the columns on why the league continues to allow this company to have a monopoly on making their games.

They already have their $.

[bigfnjoe96]

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For me, I hate 2K with a passion because they bought off the MLB to kill a vastly superior game (MVP)

[bjackets]

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It's hard to over-emphasize how terrible this game is. Here is some background from where I'm coming from: the only reason whatsoever that I have a console is because post-MVP '05, no more baseball games were made for the PC. I couldn't even get roster updates. And I must say, if I *could* get a roster update for that game, it would be hands down better than this piece of garbage.

So I started with 2k6, which was horrible. But they made some general improvements in 2k7, which made me mildly encouraged for 2k8. But wow, I've never seen such a regression in any sequel, let alone a sports game.

In a word, the game is unplayable. This is a ******* console; you shouldn't have to deal with a frame-rate that reduces the game to a literal slide-show at least 75% of the time. What's even more impressive is that despite the horrendous frame-rate -- and, yes, even with the so-called profile "fix" -- the graphics are somehow manifestly worse than 2k7. Even the menu system is blurry and unclear. I thought there might be something wrong with my monitor, but when I fired up NHL 08, all of a sudden all was right with the world -- and at smooth frame-rate to boot.

Honestly, I'd rather they cancelled this year's edition and released a roster update for 2k7 than have released this monstrosity.

I agree with you 100%. This thing should be a huge embarassment for Brinkman and his staff. It's so bad that if any other product was put out with this many issues we would see a major recall. Somehow software gets a pass and I'm not sure why.

[Kramer5150]

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I don't think this site is anywhere NEAR harsh enough on 2K. I would go one step farther than just pointing out the poor quality of the game, IMO they should be addressing the issue with the MLB in the columns on why the league continues to allow this company to have a monopoly on making their games.

Do you even know what a monopoly is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

The term monopoly (from Greek mono (μονό), alone or single + polο (πωλώ), to sell) can bear two main definitions:

1. In Economics, monopoly (also "Pure monopoly") exists when a specific individual or enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it. <sup id="_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup> Monopolies are thus characterized by a lack of economic competition for the good or service that they provide and a lack of viable substitute goods. <sup id="_ref-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> Alternatively (a modern and less common usage), it may be used as a verb or adjective to refer to the process (see Monopolism) by which a firm gains persistently greater market share than what is expected under perfect competition. The latter usage of the term is invoked in the theory of monopolistic competition.
2. In political discourse, the term monopoly is frequently invoked as a blanket generalization in criticism of firms with large market share or lack of what's perceived as "fair" competition. <sup id="_ref-2" class="reference">[3]
   </sup>

Nintendo,as well as Microsoft can make an MLB game if they so desire. This is so far from a "monopoly",it's not even funny.
2k's deal only locks out 3rd party,but 1st party is still able to make an MLB game.

[roadman]

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For me, I hate 2K with a passion because they bought off the MLB to kill a vastly superior game (MVP) and are now forcing 360 owners to buy their crap baseball game if they want to play baseball on their console. I despise such anti-consumer business practices and 2K's unwillingness to do something to get their game up to par because they have no competition on 2 of the 3 consoles. The unfortunate thing about it is that 360 owners are so desperate for a baseball game, this game sells anyway despite it's poor quality. If I can do anything to get the word out to keep even one person from being ripped off by this miserable company, it's worth it to me.

It makes me mad to see other baseball fans not to get to enjoy playing the great game of baseball on their consoles because of underhanded business practices. I shouldn't have had to sell my 360 and spend another $500 just to be able to play a great game of video baseball.

That's just it, though, there are plenty of 360 owners on this forum including myself that enjoy the game play 2k8 features this year. I don't have the frame rate issues that others are having. There is no way this game is poor quality for me and others who happen to enjoy the game on this forum.

EA or Sony could have tried to buy the license as well. And as the above poster pointed out, it's not a monopoly when other companies like MS and Nintendo can manufacture other MLB games. If it was a monopoly, you would only have 2k8 as your choice instead of The Show. If you want to talk monopoly, talk about EA and Madden.

Personally, I wouldn't spend $500 for one game and a blue ray player, especially since I have no issues with 2k8 game play wise.

They are patching the game for the frame rate issues, so, it should even make the game better.

[CS10029]

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I hate when people try to call EA or 2K monopolies. I don't think people understand monopolies.

[roadman]

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I hate when people try to call EA or 2K monopolies. I don't think people understand monopolies.

In all fairness, I'd say EA football is much closer to a monopoly vs 2k baseball .

[StLfan72]

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A lot of people aren't happy unless they are beyotching about something. The whiners are funny with how serious they take this game. Guys, this game is just like anything else in this world...buyer beware. If you go to a restaurant and order a meal that you don't like, they're not just going to give you your money back. Be smart consumers; rent it or borrow it from a friend before you plunk down your money on it or whatever. Sheesh, some guys act like $60 is such a huge amount of money or something.

If you buy a game and aren't happy with it, sell it and don't buy another game that X company puts out. Consider it a learned lesson, simple as that. Either that or lower your standards a little, life is WAY too short to be popping blood vessels over a frickin game.

[UncleMo]

Sid Bream says hi.

[DLaren]

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Then why is there a thread in the Madden forum specifically for negative posts? That was seems to have been created about a week after the game was released? As I said a few weeks back, that courtesy isn't extended to any other game - EA, 2K, 989, or otherwise. I really don't care that it's there, just pointing out the differences.

FYI: Madden wasn't given preferential treatment. That thread was put-up because it was requested by people who were enjoying the game who had grown tired of having the forum flooded with the same complaints every-day (and the 'complaint thread' wasn't opened until 10-days after the game came out, not before). If the forum go-ers here want an all-encompassing thread for complaints then maybe they should try their hand at asking a mod to open one up.

[DickDalewood]

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I'm sorry, but this whole thing with people expecting their money back is just ridiculous. Despite how lackluster this game may be, 2K didn't FORCE anyone to buy this on day one, without having rented first or waited for review/impressions.

If you took the plunge without waiting, then be willing to accept the consequences

[spankdatazz22]

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FYI: Madden wasn't given preferential treatment. That thread was put-up because it was requested by people who were enjoying the game who had grown tired of having the forum flooded with the same complaints every-day (and the 'complaint thread' wasn't opened until 10-days after the game came out, not before). If the forum go-ers here want an all-encompassing thread for complaints then maybe they should try their hand at asking a mod to open one up.

Thx for the clarification. I wasn't going to post anymore on the subject, but did want to say I didn't think I had implied the Madden all-negatives-here thread was done prior to Madden releasing. I was saying that it came out shortly after the game released. I didn't prowl the forum that much after the game released so I wasn't aware that it was posters that requested the thread. I remember the threat of any thread devolving into a Madden vs. APF or Madden vs. 2K5 thread was pretty much grounds for the thread being closed. Which is completely different than what goes on here.

The litmus test I usually think of when judging sports games is how well does the game emulate the sport. I think it's remarkable that complaints about the game usually fall into one of four categories:

- "The framerate... etc."
- "The graphics took a hit... etc."
- "The Show is perfect and you need to play it... etc."
- "This game is the worst ever created/Brinkman should be embarrassed... etc." [specifics not necessary]

Never really much discussion about how well the game emulates the sport, which apparently it does fairly well. Which is why I think it's ridiculous OS sees fit to post an opinion thread thread as this one. So I don't think people here will request a separate thread for negative posts; when it comes down to it the game can stand on it's own merits. imo of course

[Ckhoss29]

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I think this game is finally a step in the right direction with hitting and pitching as well as fielding. I love it, I think the hitting with the swing stick is really a great simulation of hitting, much more than moving a cursor and hitting a button.
I find flaws in this game with some freezing and stuttering as well as the presentation being boring, but I find this game is much more a simulation of baseball than what has been offered in the past with the push button controls.