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  • pdawg17
    Pro
    • Mar 2004
    • 937
    #31
    Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

    On a tangent, another programming "error" occurred with my A's vs. Yanks...I'm down 5-2 in the ninth with a runner on third and two outs and they walk me intentionally to bring the tying run to the plate...the guy he walked was Bobby Crosby hitting .226...hmmm...

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      • mkharsh33
        Hall Of Fame
        • Nov 2006
        • 12780
        #32
        Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

        new rosters are out at eamods for mvp 2005 (original xbox)...there's a solution for this piece of crap game.
        STEELERS INDIANS CELTICS

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          • JT30
            MVP
            • Jul 2004
            • 2123
            #33
            Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

            LMAO

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              • Lisa_Bonami
                Banned
                • Aug 2003
                • 1293
                #34
                Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                This is not a sliders issue....its a programming oversite, or better put, its an example of shallow programming depth.

                There should be code added to the pitching algorithms that checks for No Hit and Perfect game situations and makes certain fatigue overrides in an attempt to simulate such real life situations. The game was close, I was losing 1-0, but this is the ideal situation to let the pitcher go for it. For the record my fatigue sliders were set to have pitchers lose their gas close to the late 7th and mid 8th innings. However, with that taken into consideration, there should still be programmed overrides in such circumstances.


                The mini Stat Leader display on the calendar screen below the Team Calendar cannot be sorted. It's like a mini stat preview window. And the Team ERA leader should be listed as the Lowest qualifying ERA, Not highest.


                btw are there different manager tendancies that dictate what managers on different teams do in a given situation?...for example, Favor Hit & Run, Quick Pull of Starting Pitching, Go deep into game?...ect, ect

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                  • baa7
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11691
                    #35
                    Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                    Originally posted by Lisa_Bonami
                    This is not a sliders issue....its a programming oversite, or better put, its an example of shallow programming depth.

                    For the record my fatigue sliders were set to have pitchers lose their gas close to the late 7th and mid 8th innings. However, with that taken into consideration, there should still be programmed overrides in such circumstances.

                    btw are there different manager tendancies that dictate what managers on different teams do in a given situation?...for example, Favor Hit & Run, Quick Pull of Starting Pitching, Go deep into game?...ect, ect
                    You say it's a programming problem, but then state your fatigue sliders are set to have the P run out of gas in the 7th-8th inning. So it's a matter of adjusting fatigue sliders, and they work fine apparently.

                    And sure: could, should, whatever. It would be nice to see perfect programming in these situations. But it's not there. So the solution as it stands is to bump up your fatigue sliders.

                    Your last suggestion is a good one. Other baseball games had that: Hardball for sure, probably FPS 98.

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                      • CMH
                        Making you famous
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 26203
                        #36
                        Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                        Joe Torre was full of bad programming when he pulled David Cone that one time in Oakland.
                        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                          • Trevytrev11
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 3259
                            #37
                            Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                            Originally posted by YankeePride
                            Joe Torre was full of bad programming when he pulled David Cone that one time in Oakland.

                            Cone was diagnosed with an aneurysm in his arm in 1996 and was on the disabled list for the majority of the year. In his comeback start that September against the Oakland Athletics, Cone pitched a no-hitter through seven innings before he had to leave due to pitch count restrictions. Mariano Rivera allowed a single which broke the no-hitter up.
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cone


                            As stated earlier, you can't count when a pitcher is on a set pitch count due to the fact that he is coming back from an injury. These strict pitch counts are decided prior to a game by the coaches and the training staff and a coach isn't going to jeopardize a players health and risk injuring him for the rest of the season. This is completely different situation than a healthy pitcher throwing late in a game as they are not trying to work him back into his throwing routine. So in that sense, it's not bad Joe Torre manager AI, it's smart manager health AI.
                            Last edited by Trevytrev11; 04-02-2008, 08:47 AM.

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                              • DickDalewood
                                #38
                                Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                                Originally posted by Blzer
                                I thought you were gonna say Miller and Morgan were at fault for jinxing the no-no.
                                Well we all know that the announcers talking about it jinx's it... so maybe this all WAS their fault... :wink:

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                                  • baa7
                                    Banned
                                    • Jul 2004
                                    • 11691
                                    #39
                                    Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                                    Great post, Trev.

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                                      • CMH
                                        Making you famous
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 26203
                                        #40
                                        Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                                        Originally posted by Trevytrev11
                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cone


                                        As stated earlier, you can't count when a pitcher is on a set pitch count due to the fact that he is coming back from an injury. These strict pitch counts are decided prior to a game by the coaches and the training staff and a coach isn't going to jeopardize a players health and risk injuring him for the rest of the season. This is completely different situation than a healthy pitcher throwing late in a game as they are not trying to work him back into his throwing routine. So in that sense, it's not bad Joe Torre manager AI, it's smart manager health AI.
                                        It was a joke...
                                        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                                        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                                          • Lisa_Bonami
                                            Banned
                                            • Aug 2003
                                            • 1293
                                            #41
                                            Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                                            Guys, the bottom line is if I have fatigue sliders at a setting to roughly allow my pitchers go between 7.5 to 8.5 innings under normal pitching conditions/scenario the game's AI should be programmed to allow them to go a little further if they are pitching a no hitter/perfect game

                                            Im sorry but that is just an example of pitching programming code that doesnt have many variables factored into its logic.....to me that shallow, one dimensional AI that isnt very smart or adaptive and I cant even comprehend how this thread got this long with counter arguments on this observation

                                            Maybe I should also question some of the poster's AI
                                            Last edited by Lisa_Bonami; 04-02-2008, 10:07 PM.

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                                              • baa7
                                                Banned
                                                • Jul 2004
                                                • 11691
                                                #42
                                                Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                                                Originally posted by Lisa_Bonami
                                                Im sorry but that is just an example of pitching programming code that doesnt have many variables factored into its logic.....to me that shallow, one dimensional AI that isnt very smart or adaptive
                                                Well, I already posted that the CPU in 2K8 does not adjust to your AB's. You can stand in the batter's box and take pitches all day, and the CPU will continue to walk batter after batter - which BTW, won't happen in The Show. And that's because the pitching AI in 2K8 is about as shallow and one-dimensional as in any game of video baseball, ever.

                                                Me, I'm more concerned with that, seeing that's basically game-killing AI programming. The CPU pulling it's pitcher in the 8th inning of a no-hitter is nothing in comparison. But yeah, I agree with you when it comes down to it, if that's the concern here.

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                                                  • Trevytrev11
                                                    MVP
                                                    • Nov 2006
                                                    • 3259
                                                    #43
                                                    Re: Awe Come on 2K!....This is was a NO NO...LITERALLY!

                                                    Originally posted by YankeePride
                                                    It was a joke...
                                                    Sorry man, I took it as sarcastic as in...if you don't think it happens in real life, then here you go....my bad.

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