The Batter vs. The Pitcher

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  • Trevytrev11
    MVP
    • Nov 2006
    • 3259

    #1

    The Batter vs. The Pitcher

    The duel between the batter and the pitcher is the meat and potato's of any baseball game. The majority of game time is spent on either side of this battle. But it feel's like so much of the outcome is left up to randomness that the battle feels often times out of your control.

    As a hitter, sometimes you time the pitch perfectly and you miss. Sometimes you hit it over the fence and sometimes you roll over on a pitch and ground out to the short stop. Some times the pitcher make a great pitch, you make a bad swing and still hit a home run.

    As a pitcher, even in real life, once the ball leaves your hand, things are out of control, but it feels even moreso like this in 2K. Too often the results are just unrealistic as if the game is playing toward a certain outcome for that AB than reacting to the actual circumstances.

    Typically in real life as a pitcher, you get hit hard when you leave balls up in the zone and/or out over the plate. Pitchers goals are to a) keep the ball down and b) keep it on the corners. If you do this, more likely than not you will have success....however, in this game, it often doesn't seem like it matters. The pitcher (or his rating) seems to be more responsible for the outcome than the actual pitch...If you hit a corner with Sabathia, there is a good chance the hitter will swing and miss or hit the ball weakly. If you throw that exact same pitch with Daniel Cabrera, and the hitter takes the same swing, there seems to be a better chance that ball ends up in the gap, when in reality the only difference in the pitch was who threw it.

    It just feels like there is too much randomness in a battle that should be decided on merit and skill. If you get fooled on a pitch, you should pay the price. If the pitcher is on his game and is hitting his corners and expanding the zone, your swing is going to have to be perfect to hit the ball hard.

    While things don't feel as random as 2K7, they still don't feel controlled.

    I think if anything this screams that this game needs some form of directional/zone/cursor hitting. Where the input to hit the ball square is more than just blindly swinging. And as far as AI hitting goes, something needs to be adjusted as well to make the game react better physically than it does. Often times the result doesn't add up to the pitch+swing and it always should.

    Does anyone else feel that while they are "in control" so much of what happens is out of their control?

    I'm not saying hitters don't occasionally hit perfect pitches over the fence, but it happens too often by guys it shouldn't happen to. Pedroia is a guy who will crush a mistake over the monster, but he's not going to get fooled and put a bad swing on a ball and still get it out of the yard. Pujols or A-Rod may get lucky everyonce in a while, but they are the exception to the rule.
    Last edited by Trevytrev11; 09-30-2008, 04:53 PM.
  • baa7
    Banned
    • Jul 2004
    • 11691

    #2
    Re: The Batter vs. The Pitcher

    Originally posted by Trevytrev11
    It just feels like there is too much randomness in a battle that should be decided on merit and skill.

    Does anyone else feel that while they are "in control" so much of what happens is out of their control?
    LOL. No, it felt like Ben Brinkman, god rest his soul and wherever he may be now, was controlling where my hits go. He was after all the "mastermind" of that amazing system in 2K8 where you simply swing the bat, and then sit back and let the game programming decide the rest (fly ball, ground ball, hit direction, etc.)

    To be fair though, The Show this year has serious issues as well. The hitting window is so huge, you can be aiming down and away, and still make contact on high and inside pitches, even on the highest difficulty levels.

    I still think 2K5's True Aim (zone hitting) system was the best as far as realism, difficulty, and replicating bat contact versus hit result. If VC puts that back in 2K9, I'll give 2K9 a rent. But no zone hitting next year and that's it for me with this series.

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    • Trevytrev11
      MVP
      • Nov 2006
      • 3259

      #3
      Re: The Batter vs. The Pitcher

      Originally posted by baa7
      LOL. No, it felt like Ben Brinkman, god rest his soul and wherever he may be now, was controlling where my hits go. He was after all the "mastermind" of that amazing system in 2K8 where you simply swing the bat, and then sit back and let the game programming decide the rest (fly ball, ground ball, hit direction, etc.)

      To be fair though, The Show this year has serious issues as well. The hitting window is so huge, you can be aiming down and away, and still make contact on high and inside pitches, even on the highest difficulty levels.

      I still think 2K5's True Aim (zone hitting) system was the best as far as realism, difficulty, and replicating bat contact versus hit result. If VC puts that back in 2K9, I'll give 2K9 a rent. But no zone hitting next year and that's it for me with this series.
      I've only played The Show a handful of times, but my biggest gripe in that short experience was that hitting also felt random. I felt that I could swing whenever and hit the ball in any number of directions. It just didn't have a good "feel" to it where I felt I was actually in control.

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      • baa7
        Banned
        • Jul 2004
        • 11691

        #4
        Re: The Batter vs. The Pitcher

        Originally posted by Trevytrev11
        I've only played The Show a handful of times, but my biggest gripe in that short experience was that hitting also felt random. I felt that I could swing whenever and hit the ball in any number of directions. It just didn't have a good "feel" to it where I felt I was actually in control.
        That was definitely the case with 06. There were only a small handful of hits and foul balls one would ever see. The hitting feels much more organic now, although it's still somewhat canned compared with games like HH and the earlier 2K baseball series. That said, the hitter-pitcher interaction in the game is topnotch IMO. It's the only baseball game I've played where I enjoy pitching as much as hitting.

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