Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

[jeffy777]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

It's sad how 2K can bring a man's hopes from high to low in just a matter of days. I REALLY wanted this game to be great, and just last week most of the signs pointed to yes. But now.......not so much.

Looks like I'll probably be sticking to 2K7 for yet another year......

[Thadeus]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I love when people say their opinion is fact. As far as I know, everyone has their own opinion. The Show is "perfect" we get it. Some of us prefer the 2K series. If you think 2K9 is a pos, why on earth would you spend 1 more second thinking about, let alone post about it.

[bkrich83]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

It's sad how 2K can bring a man's hopes from high to low in just a matter of days. I REALLY wanted this game to be great.

I think everyone wanted it to be great. Competition helps the push the industry, and I really liked the control scheme from last years game.

[bkrich83]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I love when people say their opinion is fact. As far as I know, everyone has their own opinion. The Show is "perfect" we get it. Some of us prefer the 2K series. If you think 2K9 is a pos, why on earth would you spend 1 more second thinking about, let alone post about it.

Again thanks for proving the outlying point.

[jeffy777]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I think everyone wanted it to be great. Competition helps the push the industry, and I really liked the control scheme from last years game.

Staring at your avatar does help lift my spirits a bit though

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Like people who have the show say often, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" Why mess with perfection? I would never go against the show even though I haven't spent any real time with it. 99 percent of the views on that side of the forum are positive so it's hard to argue with that.

And thank you for proving my point...lol That's what I meant exactly (reread what I typed and you'll understand).

The game is a very good representation of the sport. I said THE ONLY THING it gets hit on in reviews with regularity is it's lack of "growth." I agree, why mess with perfection, but that's not the point. It disproves the notion that the game is "bashed." It's a compliment to say a great game isn't changing enough, IMO.

See this is where I totally disagree, I wish we could pull up some of the pre release threads for NBA/NHL 2K9 it was a blood bath. EA has earned their hatred, Madden has been pitiful and still hasn't surpassed 2k5.

And let's not forget some of the horrible reviews some 2k games have received from 1up, etc. I'm sorry but there has never been a 2k game that is unplayable.........

That's not true at all. Unplayable is a subjective term in the manner in which you use it. Go read the pre-release threads for Madden, or Live, or NCAA. THAT's a bloodbath. Fan's of both sides of any argument have their kooks. The ones who go on crusades against "the enemy" and all that nonsense. That is what you keep going to. I'm talking generalized viewpoints.

2K is ALWAYS better than EA in the eyes of the general public. EA is viewed as the evil corporation that destroys competition. 2K is viewed as the underdog who is valiently fighting the big machine. the reality is they are two big machines. One was just better at doling out BS

I do agree that EA earned it by pumping out bug riddled arcadish games. My point is, 2K baseball has been a bug riddled arcadish series...time to call a spade a spade here. You're defense of what the game has become is no different than Maddenites holding down that fort. You're even using the same arguments...lol.

I also disagree on APF, but there's no point in going back and forth point by point. The notion that 2K is "hated on" is purely false in a general sense. The end

Also, none of this speaks to 2K9. I know you will like it...as will most fans of 2K. There will be many others who like it as well. That does not mean it deserves a free pass on all the stuff it isn't doing. Discussing it openly (and preferaly without too much emotion...lol) shouldn't be an issue. No offense meant, but njecting the "poor 2K" line of arguments into it isn't really relevant to the issues at hand.

[bkrich83]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Staring at your avatar does help lift my spirits a bit though

LOL I do what I can.

[mgoblue678]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I love when people say their opinion is fact. As far as I know, everyone has their own opinion. The Show is "perfect" we get it. Some of us prefer the 2K series. If you think 2K9 is a pos, why on earth would you spend 1 more second thinking about, let alone post about it.

Nobody claims The Show or any other game is perfect but from a sim/quality standpoint the two games aren't even in the same ballpark(yes I know that was a lame pun.) The reason people keep on posting about even though they think it is a pos, is because people really wanted to see the game improve to help competion and because people are generally frustrated with it's lack of improvement.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

I love when people say their opinion is fact. As far as I know, everyone has their own opinion. The Show is "perfect" we get it. Some of us prefer the 2K series. If you think 2K9 is a pos, why on earth would you spend 1 more second thinking about, let alone post about it.

Wait, who brought up The Show or anything about it's state (I admit, I might have missed something here). I personally think that's beside the point.

The game needs to stand on it's own merits, which based on early looks, it seems to be disappointing some. Personally, I never wanted this game to be The Show. I want it to be it's own brand of good baseball game.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

People don't bash 2K...people bash EA. 2k actually ends up getting a lot more leeway than it deserves simply because it's not EA. Unfortunately, the only reason the baseball games have gotten mediocre to poor reviews, is because it earns them.

Personally I don't think it's as black and white as some like to make it out to be; it's difficult to properly convey on a message board. And I'm sure I'll just be adding fuel to the fire but... what about Live? FIFA? The NHL game? All of which are EA games which were bad in their initial next gen outings and now people consider have turned the corner or are good. Any "EA hate" that's shown is shown towards EA's bad games. Madden still hasn't surpassed it's own last gen game in terms of quality or gameplay, so it has nothing to do with 2K getting passes and whatnot - people aren't hating on Madden because it's an EA game, their hating the game because of what it is.

[jeffy777]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

People don't bash 2K...people bash EA. 2k actually ends up getting a lot more leeway than it deserves simply because it's not EA. Unfortunately, the only reason the baseball games have gotten mediocre to poor reviews, is because it earns them.

Go to Pasta Padre's blog once. You'll see plenty of 2K bashers there

[bkrich83]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Go to Pasta Padre's blog once. You'll see plenty of 2K bashers there

Those guys are just as nuts as the 2k militia members we have here. I will never understand blind loyalty to a corporation.

[bigfnjoe96]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Not sure if my post got lost due to being last on page 9, or for being too long, or people are just ignoring me...

This over ambitious project just falls flat on it's face. Plain & Simple. There's no if's, and or buts about it. This game is more unpolished than it is polished.

I have played the crap-out of this game since Friday Night & the reality is this game feels broken. Players morphing thru each other. Players sliding instead of walking.

During 1 cut scene of a pitching change, half the manager's body is basically in sucked into the ground as he Moon Walks across the screen.. WTF.

Same Moon Walk scene happen while a player was going back into the dugout after making an out..

I started a thread when VC confirmed IE was tied directly into Player Ratings basically saying this feature would make or break the game. Well right now OTB it seems that the IE feature is still broken. Especially when it comes to determining the outcome for the AI Offense.

Not being able to removed on-screen stuff screams Pick-up & Play. This really annoys me because the fan base of this game are not just Pick-Up & Play people but hardcore baseball fans who love the Simulation Aspect of baseball game.

The removing of how much control we have of the game in reference to Editing, Adjusting & Tweaking is UNACCEPTABLE.

Yes there will be work-arounds found (using 2 controllers during Play Now Mode allows for adjusting the AI Line-up & Pitching) but why should we experiment just to find these work-around when a lot of these features were already in the game..

Listen people the game is what it is...

An Unfinished, Unpolished 1st year game that unfortunately is not worth the price of admission. So I would warn everyone to go into your purchase with that mind-set, so you won't be so disappointed.

Also expect scores ranging 5-7 from various outlets. Not even a great new commentary & a refreshing new presentation can hide the problems the game has..

Carry-On

[jeffy777]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Not sure if my post got lost due to being last on page 9, or for being too long, or people are just ignoring me...

No, I didn't ignore you. Your post was what caused me to say how sad it is that 2K can dash a man's hope in just a matter of a few days. My hopes have been all but snuffed out. I was really looking forward to the "deep" franchise mode they were claiming, and the new presentation, but it seems too glitchy that I would probably just end up skipping the real time cut scenes and quite a few of the franchise features we have come to expect are missing. Online play is about the only thing I may pick up this game to play, unless it turns out that sucks too. So far it sounds like it's fairly smooth online though, but we'll see when a ton of people get on it.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Possible first review!! XBM - 6.5

Personally I don't think it's as black and white as some like to make it out to be; it's difficult to properly convey on a message board. And I'm sure I'll just be adding fuel to the fire but... what about Live? FIFA? The NHL game? All of which are EA games which were bad in their initial next gen outings and now people consider have turned the corner or are good. Any "EA hate" that's shown is shown towards EA's bad games. Madden still hasn't surpassed it's own last gen game in terms of quality or gameplay, so it has nothing to do with 2K getting passes and whatnot - people aren't hating on Madden because it's an EA game, their hating the game because of what it is.

lol...that's partially true. Madden earned it's hate. That was kind of the point. 2K baseball has done no better at representing it's sport than Madden has representing football.

I don't think it was meant to be black and white. This all actually started when someone decided that this was just more "2K bashing". The only reason the comparison was made is because EA gets more blind bashing than 2K...it's true (again, I acknowledge it's largely based on the quality of previous titles, but some is to be pointed at the "evil takeover" of the NFL license).

Yes, it's gotten better as the quality has. The same would likely happen here. That's the point. It's based on the quality. The rest is the build up of distrust from there. 2K9 is to baseball what Madden is to football. the only reason it hasn't gotten quite that bad, is because some people have options.

None of this is to praise EA or anything...lol. I've got my own issues with plenty of their games. I don't do brand loyalty. That whole argument is another issue entirely though.

The point is 2K is as guilty in some products as anyone else. they are far from an underdog, yet are treated that way by some here.

Now...back to 2K baseball (sorry I even alluded to EA...lol...should known)