Do you think VC even cares??

[Scott1174]

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Sox, I dontt disagree with you but this is your statement "Some of it can be blamed on questionable design choice. They chose to fix the superficial aspects of the game rather than the core of it. On this we can agree, VC released an unfinished, unpolished product and seemed to "rush" it out the door"


This does not mean they don't care, it means they probably made the wrong choices in what to address in their limited time. Take a step back and realize what they were given to work with":wink:

This is a biggy though "The core of it" thats huge

[Scott1174]

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Again...lol...you're confusing quality with effort. If the game was still a mess, (and trust me, in many way it could still be), it would not change my opinion on their effort.

You're pinning several years of poor development on VC, which isn't fair to them. This game is EXTREMELY unpolished and to expect a patch to fixall that is naive. The point is though, that VC isn't ignoring our requests and crawling under a rock when a probblem arises. They are being responsive. Which is a HUGE step in the right direction.

Again, my opinion on the overall quality of the title isn't relevant to this discussion. The topic is "does VC even care?"

I say overall yes, yes they do

Ok that's fine but like my previous reply to you is, If and when the patch comes out and it didn't change anything would you say they care then?

[Scott1174]

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Iam not arguing here guys, I am saying it's not a total failure like 2k8 but this game getting passed the testers to get the game out on time with all of these bugs and they are just not minor bugs, some are pretty major and hinders some of the game playing. ....Thats all

[baa7]

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How about kids that are say 10 years old and don't have access to the internet and get games through there parents.

I'm completely serious when I say I'm sure the game appeals to most kids and casual gamers. It's the hardcore baseball crowd that would have problems with it. VC even stated they're directing the game at the pick-up-and-play crowd, which I intrepret as kids whose parents are going to be paying for the thing. So while I get your point, I honestly don't see that as an issue.

[SoxFan01605]

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Ok that's fine but like my previous reply to you is, If and when the patch comes out and it didn't change anything would you say they care then?

Read my first line

I said "If the game was still a mess, (and trust me, in many way it could still be:wink, it would not change my opinion on their effort."

Maybe I should have added "post patch" in there somewhere

I'm not saying the game doesn't have problems, but design choices are sometimes hard to overcome in an patch. I don't disgree with the notion that they could have done better with 2K9.

I'm just saying arguing whether or not they "care" is not productive at this point. Now, if you want to remember this conversation after 2K10 comes out and some of the consumer's bigger issues have yet to be addressed, then I'll certainly consider your notion.

For now though, I think the obvious effort to address what people griped about with 2K8, the new found interaction fro simballer (a VC dev), AND patches to directly address at least some of our more pressing concerns, shows progress in regards to their efforts to please their customers.

Basically, you've got to give VC a bit of time before determining they don't care. Whether or not you think what they've produced is worthwhile or not, is an entirely separate discussion.

[Scott1174]

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Again...lol...you're confusing quality with effort. If the game was still a mess, (and trust me, in many way it could still be), it would not change my opinion on their effort.

You're pinning several years of poor development on VC, which isn't fair to them. This game is EXTREMELY unpolished and to expect a patch to fixall that is naive. The point is though, that VC isn't ignoring our requests and crawling under a rock when a probblem arises. They are being responsive. Which is a HUGE step in the right direction.

Again, my opinion on the overall quality of the title isn't relevant to this discussion. The topic is "does VC even care?"

I say overall yes, yes they do

Also Sox, one last thing. I am sure you work. I work for a marketing company. If I made a presentation to my boss and the quality wasn;t that great and I said to my boss. Hey Mr. Boss I put alot of effort into this project. Do you know what my boss would say Effort means Squat! It's the final result that counts

[baa7]

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this game getting passed the testers to get the game out on time with all of these bugs and they are just not minor bugs, some are pretty major and hinders some of the game playing.

You can say the same thing about every baseball and hockey game 2K has released in the past 3-4 years. Again, the easiest thing is to not purchase their games, which is where I'm at with 2K and their products. I guess I don't understand the logic of buying their games and then going ballistic about it on a discussion forum.

[SoxFan01605]

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Also Sox, one last thing. I am sure you work. I work for a marketing company. If I made a presentation to my boss and the quality wasn;t that great and I said to my boss. Hey Mr. Boss I put alot of effort into this project. Do you know what my boss would say Effort means Squat! It's the final result that counts

See, you're further proving my point. You've shifted your argument

You are now arguing a separate issue entirely from whether or not they care. You are arguing whether or not they produced. I think, while that is generally subjective, they dropped the ball in some key areas.

There may be good reason for that or it may simply be a screw up.

To use your own analogy though, In most jobs that require projects and they assign someone new, they understand the initial outcome may not be ideal. IF they do that, they generally do it with a longterm view in mind. Very rarely do they switch production teams in any industry, give them a shorter production cycle, and expect flawless results.

The difference is, phasing (which is what would likely happen in many industries) wouldn't be ideal here as there are bound to be a longer cycle of hiccups.

Basically, 2K is taking it's lumps now, in hopes that it will pay off with long term success. Whether or not it plays out that way is a different story...lol. Nothing is promised.

Again though, this is ENTIRELY separate form your original ascertion that VC doesn't care.

[Gagnon39]

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VC doesn't care because fools continue to buy this crap. I am in no way biased. I own a XBOX 360 and a PlayStation 3. I would prefer to play a baseball game on the XBOX but 2K leaves me no choice. They're game is junk. Period. Anybody that disagrees is fooling themselves. I did not buy Madden for the first time in my life this year (I've owned literally every one since they first came out on the Genesis). These exlusive licenses ruin sports games. People will continue to buy Madden and it will continue to be mediocre, same with MLB 2K.

[Scott1174]

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You can say the same thing about every baseball and hockey game 2K has released in the past 3-4 years. Again, the easiest thing is to not purchase their games, which is where I'm at with 2K and their products. I guess I don't understand the logic of buying their games and then going ballistic about it on a discussion forum.

I am not going ballistic. I am talking about the young kids that don't know any better. And its a friendly discussion is all. I am talking about a gaming companies that put out unfinished products to meet a deadline and have to pay $60 dollars of our hard erned money. Do we have a choice to buy the game of course I do, but young kids and there parents who don;t know any better really don't. I think you should get my point

[Scott1174]

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See, you're further proving my point. You've shifted your argument

You are now arguing a separate issue entirely from whether or not they care. You are arguing whether or not they produced. I think, while that is generally subjective, they dropped the ball in some key areas.

There may be good reason for that or it may simply be a screw up.

To use your own analogy though, In most jobs that require projects and they assign someone new, they understand the initial outcome may not be ideal. IF they do that, they generally do it with a longterm view in mind. Very rarely do they switch production teams in any industry, give them a shorter production cycle, and expect flawless results.

The difference is, phasing (which is what would likely happen in many industries) wouldn't be ideal here as there are bound to be a longer cycle of hiccups.

Basically, 2K is taking it's lumps now, in hopes that it will pay off with long term success. Whether or not it plays out that way is a different story...lol. Nothing is promised.

Again though, this is ENTIRELY separate form your original ascertion that VC doesn't care.

Sox. I didn't shift anything. My subject is "Do you think VC cares?" And I say NO becuase if they really cared about there product it wouldn't go through testers with so many bugs in it and push the product out. I know they have a deadline but if anything they should have not done the REAL-TIME atmosphere (gimmick) and focus on the core gameplay and test for bugs. 2k isn't the developers but since its 2k's product I would be pissed as well.

[Gagnon39]

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2K could, without question keep the same engine, change the uniforms and update teh stadiums add a little to the presentation and not even touch the gameplay and people would buy this year, after year, after year. Just because is the only MLB game available on the 360. We at Operation Sports are in the minority. Most people do not even know about the exclusive deal(s) in sports games. I hear people all the time say, "I wish EA still made MVP baseball" and question why they stopped making it. They are completely unaware that 2K has the deal locked up. I know it is unlikely to ever happen, but the government needs to step in on this one to allow competition in the sports gaming industry. And I know there are posts about this but it doesn't hurt to put it out there again.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Gotta love it. Now only Kids & Fools buy 2k products...

[kGinGreen]

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VC's support has always been kind of lacking. IMO they cut corners as far as quality control and support, to save money. The do the same with advertising in their games. 2k is just a sports game company. They aren't EA or Sony where they have loads and loads of cash. I do think they do a good job with the core game. When they patch this stuff it does bug me a little bit though that they continue to cut corners and its almost like they just do a quick fix on a lot of this stuff instead of actually improving the game the way it could be. For example if they just make batters more patient but it doesnt work seamlessly I will be a bit disapointed. I still think 2k9 is a better game than most though. It's a decent game if you can get it playing right. It just takes some know how and willingness. 2k kind of relies on the gamer to figure it out.

I'm not apoligizing for 2k. i think they are as bad as anyone, but I still think they release a decent product. Over time hopefully they will get this stuff ironed out. With the competition as it is they are going to have to. Because people are going to jump ship and 2k can't afford to lose money. Caring=$$$$$$$ for any of these companies. I'm sorry to tell you Scott but 2k doesn't care about you. They just want you for your wallet.

[Scott1174]

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Gotta love it. Now only Kids & Fools buy 2k products...

And alcholics and drug addicts...