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  • baa7
    Banned
    • Jul 2004
    • 11691

    #31
    Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

    Originally posted by jkra0512
    It is still up to us consumers to make that decision to buy the product. It's up to us to see through the marketing crap, read the reviews, play the demos, and maybe rent the game before we make the purchase. We are just as much to blame for this because many people just blindly give their money to these corporations because they are the "only" baseball or football game out there.
    Yes I agree and that's been my position for years. I haven't purchased a 2K game in three years, and I always rent them when they come out.

    However, T2-2K have been knowingly releasing inferior, buggy, broken games as a result of having spent too much on the MLB licence. Yet they not only fail to address consumer complaints, they avoid acknowledging these chronic bugs and issues, and take no responsibility for their broken games. There's aspect as of deception in all that.

    And they're guilty of manipulation in the sense that theirs is the only baseball game on the 360. They can put out any crap they want, knowing that 10's and 100's of thousands of consumers will have to buy it if those consumers want a baseball game and only own an Xbox 360.
    Last edited by baa7; 12-15-2009, 11:05 AM.

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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #32
      Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

      Originally posted by Art1bk
      The 360 numbers are from VG chartz, but keep in mind that these numbers were for mlb 2k7 on the 360 not counting the ps2,ps3,psp. The show numbers are from last years game which sold close to 700K only on the ps3. I'm sure that MLB the show 09 sold a lot more then that. Especially with the disapointment that 2k baseball has been, and the drop of price on the ps3..
      Not sure what you're referring to, as someone else mentioned both titles actually sold pretty equally on next-gen systems.
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      • jim416
        Banned
        • Feb 2003
        • 10606

        #33
        Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

        Is this telling us to be forewarned?

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        • Trevytrev11
          MVP
          • Nov 2006
          • 3259

          #34
          Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

          Originally posted by jim416
          Is this telling us to be forewarned?
          Yes! Yes! Yes!

          Though we should all be well aware of this regardless of what this article states.

          4 years in a row of sub par games should be enough of a trend to forewarn people to expect the same in year #5.

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          • JayhawkerStL
            Banned
            • Apr 2004
            • 3644

            #35
            Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

            Originally posted by baa7
            And they're guilty of manipulation in the sense that theirs is the only baseball game on the 360. They can put out any crap they want, knowing that 10's and 100's of thousands of consumers will have to buy it if those consumers want a baseball game and only own an Xbox 360.
            Well, it is confusing to me why you could get so worked up over a game you have never bought. And every time there is an exclusivity deal, the first thing people worry about is exactly the same thing you are coming realizing four freaking years too late.

            Methinks you just like to ride a very high horse, and do very little critical thinking.

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            • JayhawkerStL
              Banned
              • Apr 2004
              • 3644

              #36
              Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

              Originally posted by Trevytrev11
              Yes! Yes! Yes!

              Though we should all be well aware of this regardless of what this article states.

              4 years in a row of sub par games should be enough of a trend to forewarn people to expect the same in year #5.
              This is true. All the article did was shed some light as to what has caused some of the dysfunction over the production of the baseball game. It's not an excuse, just an explanation. If anything, it is a warning not to get to excited for 2K10.

              Of course, it really explains the severe lack of marketing around the MLB 2K games.

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              • jkra0512
                MVP
                • Sep 2006
                • 2277

                #37
                Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                Originally posted by baa7
                Yes I agree and that's been my position for years. I haven't purchased a 2K game in three years, and I always rent them when they come out.

                However, T2-2K have been knowingly releasing inferior, buggy, broken games as a result of having spent too much on the MLB licence. Yet they not only fail to address consumer complaints, they avoid acknowledging these chronic bugs and issues, and take no responsibility for their broken games. There's aspect as of deception in all that.

                And they're guilty of manipulation in the sense that theirs is the only baseball game on the 360. They can put out any crap they want, knowing that 10's and 100's of thousands of consumers will have to buy it if those consumers want a baseball game and only own an Xbox 360.
                We are on the same side in this, we both lose. But the fact still remains that we didn't have to buy these games, baa. If all of us exercised some discipline in making good purchases, all of this could've been avoided on our front.

                That's all these corporations see is $$$$$ and we can sit here until we're blue in the face advising people not to buy these products because, as you say, they are inferior, buggy, and broken. But, ultimately they are going to because it's the only baseball game out there.

                Baa, you were not deceived it just seems you held out high hopes for this series, as I did, and it hasn't produced the results you wanted. I just figured it out sooner or I gave up on the series earlier than you did, however you want to look at it. It's not deception, you can't possibly be deceived that many times. I'm not calling you out at all because you are an intelligent person, however I just want you to try and understand where some of these other people are coming from.

                We all want this series to succeed and be as great as The Show, but I think it starts with our minds and what we do with our money.

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                • baa7
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 11691

                  #38
                  Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                  Originally posted by jayhawker
                  And every time there is an exclusivity deal, the first thing people worry about is exactly the same thing you are coming realizing four freaking years too late.
                  The last 2K games I bought new were MLB 2K5 and NFL 2K5. On the contrary, I've been telling people on this board for four years to stop enabling 2K by buying their broken games.
                  Last edited by baa7; 12-17-2009, 08:52 AM.

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                  • baa7
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11691

                    #39
                    Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                    Originally posted by jkra0512
                    Baa, you were not deceived it just seems you held out high hopes for this series, as I did, and it hasn't produced the results you wanted.
                    I'm not deceived. I don't buy their games anymore. I'm saying "deception" on the part of 2K. They're knowingly releasing broken, half-finished products.

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                    • JayhawkerStL
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 3644

                      #40
                      Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                      Originally posted by baa7
                      The last 2K games I bought new were MLB 2K5 and NFL 2K5. On the contrary, I've been telling people on this board for four years to stop enabling 2K by buying their broken games.
                      Well, it is confusing to me why you could get so worked up over a game you have never bought. It would seem you are trolling in stead of trying to offer thoughtful critique.

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                      • baa7
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 11691

                        #41
                        Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                        Originally posted by jayhawker
                        Methinks you just like to ride a very high horse, and do very little critical thinking.
                        Originally posted by jayhawker
                        It would seem you are trolling
                        Interesting how many posters on OS can engage in a dialogue on the subject at hand, while others such as yourself get so worked up over others' comments regarding these games that you have to resort to off-topic personal attacks.

                        2K has put out broken, untested, half-finished games for four years in a row. And what the article in question identifies is why that is -- 2K is handicapped via a lack of resources and support. Too bad for them, nevertheless it only confirms what many on the MLB 2K forum have been saying for 2-3 years. Stay far, far away from MLB 2K on release day. Read the reviews, rent it, do whatever. But don't purchase it until it's clear they've finally made a commitment to putting out a quality product.
                        Last edited by baa7; 12-17-2009, 10:31 AM.

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                        • Pared
                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 39337

                          #42
                          Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                          If you have no interest in games published by 2k, I fully expect you to avoid the forums accordingly.

                          You've been doing nothing but trolling the forums for years and it's interesting you don't even have the games.
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                          • DaveDQ
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                            • Sep 2003
                            • 7664

                            #43
                            Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                            I read a lot of "2K should have never signed that 3rd party exclusive deal." They didn't. Take Two did. All 2K is is a brand that Take Two publishes. In that brand you have your developers, Kush, VC etc. VC is now the developer behind 2K Baseball (after replacing Kush in MLB 2K9).

                            Visual Concepts (VC), the developer behind the beloved and sometimes overly appreciated NFL 2K series. Also, the developer of the basketball game that took the crown from the NBA Live series, VC can develop. There is no doubt about it. They can also market (Beta 7..lol).

                            I happen to think they are over worked and under a sinking publisher in Take Two. But it's not VC's fault. It's the fault of Take Two for signing a limited exclusive license that was more knee jerk in light of what happened with Madden and the NFL.

                            I'm of the opinion that 2K Sports should be doing three games right now. Basketball, Baseball and Football There is simply no profit in a hockey title, especially in competing with EA's NHL. APF was given one shot and then nothing else. work on refining those titles and don't be tempted to join the mix of sub-titles like boxing, hockey etc.
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                            • spankdatazz22
                              All Star
                              • May 2003
                              • 6219

                              #44
                              Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                              Originally posted by DaveDQ
                              I read a lot of "2K should have never signed that 3rd party exclusive deal." They didn't. Take Two did.
                              Not to sidetrack the thread but I'd also like to throw out another thing to possibly consider about the MLB exclusivity agreement. When the NFL/NCAA/Arena League deals went down, they happened all within months of each other - might've been weeks. I'm not going to make the argument that anything EA did was illegal, but the moves were certainly aimed at eliminating it's competition. And at the time, many of us felt the NBA was next - and in fact, the NBA was in play for a while until David Stern wisely opted to allow competition. So at the time, there was a distinct possibility 2KSports could've been eliminated as a viable sports developer had they not done something. EA already had exclusivity deals with FIFA & NASCAR, when it added the NFL & NCAA.

                              In retrospect, the MLB deal is looking like it may not have been good for 2K. But at the time, there was a very real danger that all the major sports leagues were going to be wrapped up to an exclusive deal with someone. I think that needs to be considered when people on these forums play Monday morning QB and cite how foolish they think this deal was (not directed at the person I quoted obviously)
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                              • Trevytrev11
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 3259

                                #45
                                Re: Not the Bottom of the Ninth, But a Big At-Bat Coming For MLB 2K10

                                Originally posted by spankdatazz22

                                In retrospect, the MLB deal is looking like it may not have been good for 2K. But at the time, there was a very real danger that all the major sports leagues were going to be wrapped up to an exclusive deal with someone. I think that needs to be considered when people on these forums play Monday morning QB and cite how foolish they think this deal was (not directed at the person I quoted obviously)
                                I think most agree with this, but are just frustrated by the lack of effort and quality that followed. Looking back on them handing the reigns over to Kush, one must wonder what they were thinking. They (Kush) were completely incapable of making a quality title and failed for multiple years. They signed Brinkman, which may or may not have been a bad decision, but did they give him enough resources to succeed?

                                He may have been pulling the strings with MVP, but if had twice the staff and twice the budget over there than he would with 2K, then they had to know the game was not going to compare.

                                I understand why 2K did what they did, but it seems like they didn't have the right plan in place to succeed after the deal was done. It was more of a reactionary move than a well, thought out with a plan in place, move...and those are the ones that get you in trouble more often than not.

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