Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

[jeffy777]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

I have a feeling it has a whole lot to do with pitching gesture. I seem to only give up big hits to the CPU when I throw a weak pitch (that tends to be the case, at least). That said, when we get our big hits, it's probably for the same reason... that they're throwing a "weak" pitch, perhaps by some sort of randomness or because of pitcher confidence.

That said, this is probably 2010's version of the 2K "meatball", only it's not visible when the CPU throws to us and it's not necessarily always over the middle of the plate.

I think you are right. I'm seeing this as well and just mentioned this in the Pitching Control thread too.

[reo]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

I have played 10 games.

Thus far:

Jay Bruce - 5 HR
Johnny Gomes - 1 HR

I know Votto will be able to hit them
I think brandon Phillips will be able to.

I also played about 18 games with the D-Rays. Better variability but they're better hitters.
Longoria: 9 HR
Pena: 7 HR
Adrian Gonzalez: 4 HR
Pat Burrell: 4 HR
Ben Zobrist: 3 HR
Reserve outfielder: 2 HR
Fernando Tatis: 1 HR
Carl Crawford: 1 HR

but guys in the lineup like Fernando Perez, and Dioner Navarro, they're never going to hit one, I can just tell. And that part of this game stinks IMO

How are these realistic sliders by the way? If you're hitting one every two games with Longoria, you should be able to hit them with any weak hitter as long as you swing with power when you're ahead in the count. Listen to NC.

I'm not going to be able to even hit one with Orlando Cabrera, or Ramon Hernandez. Probably none with Chris Dickerson. These guys aren't Rafael Belliard here. They're guys who can hit 10 to 15 in real life.

I wasn't asking you the question in this instance. It was written to JBH3.

Relax your nerves.

[therizing02]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

Best way to test it out is to go into Drills and select the Contact/Power game.

I did this last night with Felipe Lopez of the Cardinals (mid 40s power I believe) and the power at 100. Let's just say Felix won't be hitting any homers. But give this mode a shot.

I will say that is is very possible to hit HRs with players other than your typical middle of the line up guys. I had one with a contact swing by JJ Hardy just the other day(45C/35P). It's not going to happen all the time of course, but working the count, fouling off pitches, and using the Power Swing at the right time works.

[JBH3]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

In 4 full MLB seasons, Victorino has hit 42 HR. That's an average of 10.5 a season.
In 9 full MLB seasons, Rollins has hit 146. That's an average of 16.2.

Would you have been anywhere close to those average HR numbers?

Last year I was not. I hit maybe 7 user HRs w/ Rollins over the course of a season.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

I have a feeling it has a whole lot to do with pitching gesture. I seem to only give up big hits to the CPU when I throw a weak pitch (that tends to be the case, at least). That said, when we get our big hits, it's probably for the same reason... that they're throwing a "weak" pitch, perhaps by some sort of randomness or because of pitcher confidence.

That said, this is probably 2010's version of the 2K "meatball", only it's not visible when the CPU throws to us and it's not necessarily always over the middle of the plate.

Which is garbage logic on 2K's part. Great pitch or bad pitch, a balls flight is going to be based on the quality of contact, not how a pitcher felt about a pitch. I don't doubt you are right and this logic seems to have always been in this series.

Reward the hitters for recognizing a pitch and executing the perfect swing on it. There are no bonuses for mistakes in real life as hitters do not know pitchers intentions prior to the pitch leaving the pitcher hand.

A hanging curveball should be hammered because it's a hanging curveball up in the zone without a lot of break...not because the pitcher didn't intend to throw it there. As a hitter, your bonus is the fact that you have a hittable pitch to hit. There is no extra bonus because the pitcher wishes he threw it better. That is up to you.

If I'm a pitcher and I try to bust a hitter inside, but over throw and end up painting the outside corner, it's still a great pitch in the hitters eyes. For all he knows that is exactly where I was aiming. But the way 2K see's it, it's a mistake and the hitter gets a reward. I hate it.

No bonuses...let the game take care of itself.

[jeffy777]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

Which is garbage logic on 2K's part. Great pitch or bad pitch, a balls flight is going to be based on the quality of contact, not how a pitcher felt about a pitch. I don't doubt you are right and this logic seems to have always been in this series.

Reward the hitters for recognizing a pitch and executing the perfect swing on it. There are no bonuses for mistakes in real life as hitters do not know pitchers intentions prior to the pitch leaving the pitcher hand.

A hanging curveball should be hammered because it's a hanging curveball up in the zone without a lot of break...not because the pitcher didn't intend to throw it there. As a hitter, your bonus is the fact that you have a hittable pitch to hit. There is no extra bonus because the pitcher wishes he threw it better. That is up to you.

If I'm a pitcher and I try to bust a hitter inside, but over throw and end up painting the outside corner, it's still a great pitch in the hitters eyes. For all he knows that is exactly where I was aiming. But the way 2K see's it, it's a mistake and the hitter gets a reward. I hate it.

No bonuses...let the game take care of itself.

Right on.

[Blzer]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

^ Exactly is all I have to say.

The way that they described it in the pitching insight (or whatever it was) is basically that throwing a pitch at 50% would mean that your ratings are now 50% of what they were, or however they decided to form the threshold (it may be 75% or something). This is kind of weak, especially in the way they derive the hitter's ratings based on this. The last I checked, a ball can always be hit harder if a pitcher throws a ball harder. They didn't seem to replicate that notion in this game.

[jake44np]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

By the way you can get HRS with below average power guys.
Using BFJ's slider set I have hit 2 HRS with Ryan Hannigan who has a power rating in the 40's. I also hit one with Rolen last night who has a rating of 50.

[jeffy777]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

I hit a homer with my guy in My Player with the contact swing and his power ratings aren't too good yet (high 60's). So that was good to see.

[JonahFalcon]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

Was it on Pro or Rookie?

And this means you were controlling Yankees/Gardner, right? I've seen fleas on the AI teams hit them out now and then. I'm talking about user controlled.

Yes. And I was on Pro. Ramiro Pena HRed at Fenway - Green Monster HR.

[JBH3]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

Yea...I'm beginning to doubt the subject issue here is NOT an issue. I cranked a HR into McCovey Cove w/ the lefthanded hitting Jason Jaramillio - who vs lefties has 42/58 pwr/contact.

I also saved the replay and can post it tonight for those needing proof.

[Blzer]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

Again, I don't think it's the subject issue is much as it is figuring out what the pitcher threw. Maybe he had a bad gesture or throw with weak effort. That's going to be our next theory on this matter.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

Maybe he had a bad gesture or throw with weak effort. That's going to be our next theory on this matter.

I don't think that theory holds much water either. I gave up a HR to Billy Butler of KC this morning and I threw that pitch well and close to where I wanted it. It was a fastball up and in that caught a little too much of the plate. I didn't max out the meter but in no way was it a weak pitch or a bad gesture. He pulled it over the LF wall at the bottom of the first off of Verlander.

While I'm sure weak pitches and bad gestures can get hit hard, I've seen plenty of good pitches get hit hard as well. I think slider settings have a lot to do with our results. We can't reduce power too much for the user if you want to hit home runs with weaker players. For the cpu, the power slider needs to be increased due to too many contact swings.

Overall I'm not too concerned about this area yet. I do think home runs may be too prevalent for power guys while contact hitters may not hit enough but I don't think it's too bad. For contact guys you will have to use the power swing to go yard. I do think there may be too much opposite field power but that's a different topic.

[Blazzen]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

I'm not talking about rookie or pro difficulty here. Those don't provide with good sim baseball results.

I have a slider set that is very realistic with most guys; they'll wind up with their 40 homer seasons and 30 (guys like Joey Votto). but I play with the Reds. There are guys in the lineup who I'm convinced will absolutely never hit a homer, and that's not accurate. These are guys like Orlando Cabrera, Scott Rolen, Ryan Hanigan, Ramon Hernandez, even Chris Dickerson and Drew Stubbs. These guys will never ever homer and my power/contact sliders are set to 45/45 so its basically hitting on all-star.

Anyone else get this feeling that annoys them?

I hit a homer with martin prado - 50 power rating - with the sliders at 40/40. No left stick influence. Took a power swing on an inside fastball and launched it over the left field wall. I've also hit one with Matt Diaz, Melky Cabrerra, Yunel Esocobar, etc.

I've also hit them using the contact swing with chipper, mccann and glaus.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: Homering not possible with every player in lineup?

I don't think that theory holds much water either. I gave up a HR to Billy Butler of KC this morning and I threw that pitch well and close to where I wanted it. It was a fastball up and in that caught a little too much of the plate. I didn't max out the meter but in no way was it a weak pitch or a bad gesture. He pulled it over the LF wall at the bottom of the first off of Verlander.

While I'm sure weak pitches and bad gestures can get hit hard, I've seen plenty of good pitches get hit hard as well. I think slider settings have a lot to do with our results. We can't reduce power too much for the user if you want to hit home runs with weaker players. For the cpu, the power slider needs to be increased due to too many contact swings.

Overall I'm not too concerned about this area yet. I do think home runs may be too prevalent for power guys while contact hitters may not hit enough but I don't think it's too bad. For contact guys you will have to use the power swing to go yard. I do think there may be too much opposite field power but that's a different topic.

I don't think it's a one way or the other type of thing. Pitches executed with high or perfect gesture can still get hit hard, but in my experience, poorly gestured pitches thrown in great locations still seem to get hit harder, more often than a highly executed position in a bad location.

A weak slider (but one that still breaks) on the black will get hit harder, more often than a perfect, straight fastball down the middle. That has been my experience with this game for years and I don't think it's right.

This used to be even more evident with the meatball, but though that has gone away, poorly executed pitches still, IMO, seem to give a bit of a bonus to the hitter.