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  • peigone
    Banned
    • Jun 2010
    • 1050

    #16
    Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

    Originally posted by KraZe
    If you see a pitch starting out as a ball, chances are you're going to lay off of it. If its starting as a strike, you're going to have a tendency to swing away. If I want the batter to swing at a ball out of the strike zone, I started my pitch on the inside/outside of the plate and had it tail off out of the strike zone using a cutter or slider, or start in the strike zone and drop out if it's a change-up or sinker.
    Good points. Also, I noticed each hitter has IE aggression tendencies based on pitch count and type of pitch. Meaning you have to be aware of the pitch and count when throwing to a particular hitter, if you want the best chance of having him chase. Or so the theory goes if IE actually works as advertized.

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    • FavreDollaFootlong
      Rookie
      • Mar 2011
      • 15

      #17
      Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

      Originally posted by KraZe
      I haven't delved into pitching much with 2k11 yet (working on My Player until the fatigue bugs are fixed up for Franchise mode), but what I used to do with 2k10 was put myself in the batter's shoes. If you see a pitch starting out as a ball, chances are you're going to lay off of it. If its starting as a strike, you're going to have a tendency to swing away. If I want the batter to swing at a ball out of the strike zone, I started my pitch on the inside/outside of the plate and had it tail off out of the strike zone using a cutter or slider, or start in the strike zone and drop out if it's a change-up or sinker. I also had a lot of fun spotting a 6-12 curve high and out of the zone and dropping it across the heart of the plate as the batter simply watched it the whole way.

      Obviously you have to mix up your pitches well if you plan on pulling something like that, but it worked out well for me most of the time. (I did get caught a few times with the 6-12 curve... oops)

      I just wanted to add, a lot of people make the mistake of saying, "I can't get him to swing at any balls"... wrong mentality. You're trying to get the hitter to CHASE pitches, not simply swing at something that isn't in the strike zone. If a batter swings at a pitch that would be a ball, he either had his mind set on a different pitch (ie: Expecting Curve ball cutting into the strike zone, but he gets a fastball outside instead) or he read the pitch wrong (ie: Fastball on the outside, close to the strike zone). That's where your speed and movement play a big part. If you hammer the outside of the plate with fastballs to the point that he misses, then fouls one off, your next pitch should be some sort of off-speed or breaking ball to mess with his timing, and generally placed on the inside part of the plate. Also, if you've been drilling lower pitches, throw one higher in the zone. Chances are the batter will be so fixated on the lower half of the strike zone, he'll swing right under it.

      Again, think like a hitter when you're on the mound... "If I was at the plate right now, what would really screw me up..."
      Thanks for the help and feedback fellas. Sorry I meant to say "Chase" didn't mean to say that they dont swing at crappy balls. i like that they dont do that but i do exactly what you do. start a curve, breaking balls in the strike zone, actually in the batters hot zones and then it drops off the table inside and outside and nothing. i'm gonna try to get it on video to show you guys but im having issues with my usb camera connections on my labtop.

      have been using pretty much the same pitching strategy since 2k6 mixing speeds and locations doing exactly what your doing and have never had any problems before this year it was exact opposite they swung at everything as you all remember

      Also the ratings i feel like they dont matter. was messing around and playing the A's so i upped their k frequency to 100 and base on balls all the way down to 0 and even batters eye down to 0 just to test around for a game and still no one chased. during a 3 game series with those ratings not ONE player swung or Chased any pitches outside k zone and all of them start in the k zone. didn't throw any fastballs for balls and focused on all of your suggestions. got it all on video. im going clear my cache for 360 and re-download the new patch because i also don't have any of the managers for any team besides the Yanks.

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      • KraZe
        Rookie
        • Jul 2010
        • 79

        #18
        Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

        I just tried out the pitching a bit, and you're right, they do lay off a lot more in 2k11 than they do in previous titles. That being said, I was able to get some guys to chase pitches out of the zone, as well as freeze some guys up by using breaking balls that cut through the zone (moving from outside/inside through the zone to end up low and just out of the zone).

        Try setting up your pitches a bit. Throw two or even three fastballs on the edges of the plate (if he caught up to the second one, don't throw the third... he's got your timing), then try throwing a breaking ball that starts on the middle/edge of the zone and high, so it comes down towards the middle of the zone and breaks away outside.

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        • rudyjuly2
          Cade Cunningham
          • Aug 2002
          • 14815

          #19
          Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

          I don't think it's bad. I get guys to chase. It's easier to get them to chase when you are ahead in the count instead of behind but it happens. I do think they should add a slider for cpu aggressiveness so we can tune this area if we don't like it.

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          • peigone
            Banned
            • Jun 2010
            • 1050

            #20
            Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

            Originally posted by FavreDollaFootlong
            Also the ratings i feel like they dont matter. was messing around and playing the A's so i upped their k frequency to 100 and base on balls all the way down to 0 and even batters eye down to 0 just to test around for a game and still no one chased. during a 3 game series with those ratings not ONE player swung or Chased any pitches outside k zone and all of them start in the k zone.
            Yeah, I really don't trust that IE has all that much simulation depth to it. So your results don't surprise me. However, if you take note of each player's IE tendencies, you will see they supposedly chase different types of pitches. You might want to test that out to see how well and how accurately it's programmed.

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            • rudyjuly2
              Cade Cunningham
              • Aug 2002
              • 14815

              #21
              Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

              I actually think this area is done pretty well. I've tried watching for this the last couple games and I don't see a problem. Cpu aggressiveness may be tied to the contact slider so we could see different things but MLB hitters only swing at 25% of pitches outside of the zone. Start tracking this the next time you play op and I think you will find it to be pretty good.

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              • peigone
                Banned
                • Jun 2010
                • 1050

                #22
                Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

                To the OP: I was just playing a game where I threw my first two pitches (sliders) at least 4-6 inches outside, and watched with interest as the CPU hitter went flailing after them. So I threw a couple more out there -- he fouled the next one off, but then didn't bite on the fourth. I immediately stopped the game, went into his IE stats, and there it was: "Goes after outside sliders 37% of the time."

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                • FavreDollaFootlong
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 15

                  #23
                  Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

                  I think i just figured it out. Ive been pitching with the camera angle "Batter 2" and I wasn't getting any swings as i previously posted and had some other bugs no one else was reporting. I erased my cache and uploaded the patch again, used the Batter 2 camera angle when pitching and nothing was fixed but when i switched my pitching camera back to the default setting or "pitcher 2" camera angle they started chasing my pitches and i got 9 strikeouts with liriano and about 3 walks which is spot on. thanks for the feedback

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                  • JBH3
                    Marvel's Finest
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 13506

                    #24
                    Love the so absolute thread titles.

                    The CPU will swing outside the zone, I just K'd Pat Burrell twice on slurves trailing outside the zone.
                    Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                    All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                    • FavreDollaFootlong
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 15

                      #25
                      Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

                      Originally posted by JBH3
                      Love the so absolute thread titles.

                      The CPU will swing outside the zone, I just K'd Pat Burrell twice on slurves trailing outside the zone.

                      look at my original and last post and its absolute when it applies to the game i'm playing. if you knew anything about video games you'd know you can do several different things to trigger a multiple variety of glitches, hence all the steps you need to lay out in the bug section and the freezing bug that everybodies having a problem with. if your not having a problem with this issue stay out of the post

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                      • Salhus
                        He can talk the talk
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 1799

                        #26
                        Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

                        The sinker in this game can be use more as a splitter. Too many swing and misses with it.

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                        • ambizytl
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 548

                          #27
                          Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

                          Originally posted by Salhus
                          The sinker in this game can be use more as a splitter. Too many swing and misses with it.
                          I've pitched with Ubaldo Jimenez and threw his splitter down and out of the strike zone, but to my amazement, the CPU batters often hit it and sometimes even get base hits!

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                          • rudyjuly2
                            Cade Cunningham
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 14815

                            #28
                            Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

                            Originally posted by FavreDollaFootlong
                            if your not having a problem with this issue stay out of the post
                            So you only want people to respond to your thread if they agree with you?

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                            • JayhawkerStL
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 3644

                              #29
                              Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

                              Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                              So you only want people to respond to your thread if they agree with you?

                              He thinks it was the camera setting that cause him to have problems. Now that he is pitching from behind the mound instead of the batter, he's getting better results.

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                              • econoodle
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 4884

                                #30
                                Re: CPU never swings at pitches outside k zone

                                pitching from behind the bump helps.

                                I have seen a bunch of swinging at balls and letting strikes go right on by.
                                LOIVING this game.

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