How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

[ambizytl]

The Reds brought in Jose Arredondo (right-handed RP) who threw a two-seam fastball that went away from right-handed batters and in on left-handed batters. How can that be? I mean, shouldn't his two-seam fastball break in on right-handed batters if it breaks away on lefties?

[nemesis04]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

Maybe he is from the Southern hemisphere where everything rotates opposite from the Northern!

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

Maybe he is from the Southern hemisphere where everything rotates opposite from the Northern!

Good one!

I am pretty sure I've seen this sort of thing happen with some other pitcher and it drives me nuts! It also makes me swing and miss!

[peigone]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

I read somewhere that pitchers like Halladay have pitches they can throw to break two different ways. So I'm not sure how unrealistic that actually is.

[tvman]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

You think that's something, the other day i was playing a game and my pitchers changeup was 87 mph and his fastball was 86! Is there a way when editing a pitcher to change the break on his pitches, maybe some are just set wrong.

[peigone]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

You think that's something, the other day i was playing a game and my pitchers changeup was 87 mph and his fastball was 86! Is there a way when editing a pitcher to change the break on his pitches, maybe some are just set wrong.

Speeds are set wrong in some cases, yes, and can be edited. But in the case of the 2-seamer, it's set the way it is in the game, and nothing can be done about it. Even lowering the 2-seamer pitch movement rating did nothing, it still breaks like a screwball.

[peigone]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

From Wiki:

A two-seam fastball is a pitch in baseball and a variant of the straight fastball. The pitch has the speed of a fastball, but the general movement of a screwball.

So the game is correct apparently.

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

From Wiki:

A two-seam fastball is a pitch in baseball and a variant of the straight fastball. The pitch has the speed of a fastball, but the general movement of a screwball.

So the game is correct apparently.

No, that is not correct. From Wiki on Baseball: A two-seam fastball is a pitch in baseball and a variant of the straight fastball. It is similar to the sinker.

[bkrich83]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

I read somewhere that pitchers like Halladay have pitches they can throw to break two different ways. So I'm not sure how unrealistic that actually is.

This. See Greg Maddux

[mcda0702]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

A 2-Seam fastball IS sinker. Both are thrown the same way, some pitchers just have a lot more movement on theirs than others that cause it to sink more. Video games just like to give two separate pitches to emphasis how much break it really has. This is why sinkers and 2-Seamers are both fastball speed. If you look it up through Google on how to throw a Sinker you will find the grips for the two pitches are the same. Hope this helps.

As for the two pitches going opposite ways, are you sure one wasn't a cutter and one wasn't a 2-Seamer? This would explain the opposite directions but be about same speed. Just an idea.

[King Gro23]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

I don't really trust either wiki page. But each person has their own personality of pitches. Its that exactly which separates everyone is baseball apart.

Some guys have nasty sinker's, While one guy may do his work gripping it like a traditional sinker hold. Another guy may have his own added grip like a split grip across the wide seems of the ball.

Something else is about every pitcher in the show throw a pitch differently. You will never see the same break ever or some grip throughout the league this kind of stuff varies and baseball games don't capture the uniqueness of it all enough.

Baseball is a great game.

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

A 2-Seam fastball IS basically a sinker. Both are thrown the same way, some pitchers just have a lot more movement on theirs than others that cause it to sink more. This is why sinkers and 2-Seamers are both fastball speed. If you look it up through Google on how to throw a Sinker you will find the grips for the two pitchers are the same. Hope this helps.

As for the two pitches going opposite ways, are you sure one wasn't a cutter and one wasn't a 2-Seamer? This would explain the opposite directions but be about same speed. Just an idea.

No, the game itself stated two-seam fastball on the TV screen, and I saw that quite a few times as Arredondo got me to strike out on that pitch 3 times! And I'm like, what kind of two-seam fastball is that?

[peigone]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

No, the game itself stated two-seam fastball on the TV screen, and I saw that quite a few times as Arredondo got me to strike out on that pitch 3 times! And I'm like, what kind of two-seam fastball is that?

The thing is there's no directional/break readout after the CPU throws a pitch like there is with User pitches. So you can't really tell which way the ball actually breaks. I even went in and faced Arredondo after editing him. I gave him only a FB and a 2 seamer, so he'd throw lots of 2 seamers at me. In all honesty, watching his 2 seamer, there was no way to tell which way it was actually breaking.

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

The thing is there's no directional/break readout after the CPU throws a pitch like there is with User pitches. So you can't tell which way the ball actually broke. I even went in and faced Arredondo after editing him. I gave him only a FB and a 2 seamer, so he'd throw lots of 2 seamers at me. In all honesty, watching his 2 seamer, there was no way to tell which way it was actually breaking.

All I can tell you is I saw his two-seam fastball break away from left-handed batters and away from right-handed batters and the TV screen stated it was a two-seam fastball and I saw the break on the pitch.

[jimmyl008]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

The Reds brought in Jose Arredondo (right-handed RP) who threw a two-seam fastball that went away from right-handed batters and in on left-handed batters. How can that be? I mean, shouldn't his two-seam fastball break in on right-handed batters if it breaks away on lefties?

I started a pitching drill with Arredondo to confirm this, but his two-seamer looks fine to me. It breaks to his right as expected. His slider breaks mildly to the left, though; perhaps this is the pitch you saw.