How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

[swaldo]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

The game is correct, it's just an illusion. Look at his Inside Edge, Arredondo likes to throw low & away to RHB's. So when you see his 2-seamer being thrown to that location it looks like it's breaking outside because it's being thrown across his body.

When a 2-seamer is thrown across the body there will be less movement. It basically looks like a fastball heading outside of the strike zone for a ball. However, it kind of straightens out and catches the edge of the zone for a strike which is very effective if you can pull it off. What you are expecting is for it to tail inside like a screwball, but it aint gonna happen being thrown to that location.

Arredondo's 2-seamer has good speed (its only 1 mph slower than his fastball) but he doesn't have good movement on it. To achieve max break he would need to throw it straight or away from his body. Anything thrown outside to a RHB against his body will have very slight & subtle movement. If you dont believe me just throw some 2-seamers and look at the replay.

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

I started a pitching drill with Arredondo to confirm this, but his two-seamer looks fine to me. It breaks to his right as expected. His slider breaks mildly to the left, though; perhaps this is the pitch you saw.

Try hitting against Arredondo as opposed to pitching with him--and then check out his two-seam fastball.

What I saw is not my choice of words--the game called it a two-seam fastball on screen and the announcer.

[King Gro23]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

The game is correct, it's just an illusion. Look at his Inside Edge, Arredondo likes to throw low & away to RHB's. So when you see his 2-seamer being thrown to that location it looks like it's breaking outside because it's being thrown across his body.

When a 2-seamer is thrown across the body there will be less movement. It basically looks like a fastball heading outside of the strike zone for a ball. However, it kind of straightens out and catches the edge of the zone for a strike which is very effective if you can pull it off. What you are expecting is for it to tail inside like a screwball, but it aint gonna happen being thrown to that location.

Arredondo's 2-seamer has good speed (its only 1 mph slower than his fastball) but he doesn't have good movement on it. To achieve max break he would need to throw it straight or away from his body. Anything thrown outside to a RHB against his body will have very slight & subtle movement. If you dont believe me just throw some 2-seamers and look at the replay.

You nailed it exactly because I seen other pitchers do it today, Its only when they throw across their body to opposite side of plate.

[mwjr]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

Didn't Dennis Eckersley's fastball have that funky break in it, that went in on right handed batters? I know it's happened before, but I can't recall if it was Eckersley or not.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

Didn't Dennis Eckersley's fastball have that funky break in it, that went in on right handed batters? I know it's happened before, but I can't recall if it was Eckersley or not.

His ball moved in on righties (away from lefties), but side armers get that movement naturally because the ball is coming of the fingers sideways and naturally has the sidways spin.

For what it's worth a 2 seamer is a sinker. Some guys might get more dip and others may get more sideways action, but it's the same concept. People just call it different things.

And guys do throw different fastballs that move in different dirctions, but they are different fastballs. They will cut it or sink it to move it left or right. The speed is usually close, but the grip and release are very different.

To cut the ball a pitcher needs to get his figers outside the ball and really cut down on the outer seem/edge of the ball at release. For 2-seamers/sinkers, you need to get inside the ball and either use a ton of pressure on your index finger or even turn your hand inside a bit (a very mild screwball motion) when you throw it. Both pitches are thrown with the fingers going with the seams (at the skinny part of the seems), where as a four seamer goes against the seems at the same location.

[orangeafroman]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

For a RHP:

A 2-seamer sinks, and depending on how good it is, eases right.
An avg 2-seamer might break down towards the 5 on a clock
Better 2-seamers may break towards 4 or even 3.

Those pitchers who can break the 2-seamer sideways like that often like to also throw a cut fastball, which breaks to the left (8 or 9 on a clock), to have that ability to criss-cross the plate either way.

Maybe Arredondo throws a cutter but the game calls it a 2-seamer, who knows.

[Garrett67]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

http://www.efastball.com/baseball/pitching/grips/two-seam-fastball-grip/

This website has a bunch of info

http://www.efastball.com/

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

http://www.efastball.com/baseball/pi...fastball-grip/


This website has a bunch of info
http://www.efastball.com/

That says what I said before that two-seam fastballs should move in on right-handed batters and away from left-handed batters.

"The ball will move down and to the right for a right handed pitcher."

[peigone]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

That says what I said before that two-seam fastballs should move in on right-handed batters and away from left-handed batters.

Which is what they do in this game.

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

Which is what they do in this game.

Not from what I've seen.

[swaldo]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

Not from what I've seen.

Then post some video and prove it.

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

Then post some video and prove it.

When batting right-handed and the pitcher throws a two-seam fastball to the outside, have you seen it break in towards the hitter?

[swaldo]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

When batting right-handed and the pitcher throws a two-seam fastball to the outside, have you seen it break in towards the hitter?

I already answered that a page or two back.

[Blzer]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

When batting right-handed and the pitcher throws a two-seam fastball to the outside, have you seen it break in towards the hitter?

I haven't been able to see any of it because I don't have the game. Is it the same in 2K10? Because I have that, but I'm home from school for break. If you record a video of it I can be a better judge of it.

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

I haven't been able to see any of it because I don't have the game. Is it the same in 2K10? Because I have that, but I'm home from school for break. If you record a video of it I can be a better judge of it.

I never played 2K baseball before this 2K11 version, so I don't know what happened in 2K10. Did you see that in 2K10? Some have said that a right-handed pitcher when throwing a 2-seam FB to the outside of right-handed batters that the pitch doesn't break in, not supposed to I guess is what they're saying. The article link that someone here posted said "The ball will move down and to the right for a right handed pitcher." There was nothing I saw about it being different when thrown to the outside.