Fatigue still not fixed

[ambizytl]

I happened to check McCann of the Braves to see how he's been doing with energy level since my catchers have taken quite a hit with energy level. What I discovered makes me mad as hell. McCann played seven straight games and his energy level is 88! That's right, 88. My catcher Ruiz can't play 3 games in a row and have 88. I traded Ruiz for Yadier Molina, Force Trades On, to see if that would make any difference. Nope, no difference, my catcher can't play 3 games in a row and have that high of an energy level.

[Hal Fowler]

Re: Fatigue still not fixed

I happened to check McCann of the Braves to see how he's been doing with energy level since my catchers have taken quite a hit with energy level. What I discovered makes me mad as hell. McCann played seven straight games and his energy level is 88! That's right, 88. My catcher Ruiz can't play 3 games in a row and have 88. I traded Ruiz for Yadier Molina, Force Trades On, to see if that would make any difference. Nope, no difference, my catcher can't play 3 games in a row and have that high of an energy level.

I don't know, I think fatigue is handled pretty darn well. If you look at their careers, Ruiz has a history of getting about 60% of the at-bats (very rough guesstimate) that a McCann or Molina will get.

While I am running the Cards, Berkman fatigues much more than Holiday. The fatigue is installed to keep starts and production realistic.

Now, as with any feature this intrusive, there is sure to be some discussion about how well it is tuned and implemented. I love that Ruiz and Berkman fatigue so much faster. I can't tell you that the game handles them perfectly. That will take a ton of investigation.

I also don't know what the exact effects of tired players are. I'm assuming it lower production and higher risk for injury. But how much of a production hit does a player with an energy of 65 take?

when the game came out, I simmed a few seasons and found the league leader stats to be really, really good across the board. But i have not dug down into individual players. and baseball is game that is impossible to tell what rating a player is playing at from his production one, or even ten games.

For now, I'm content to enjoy the strategic element 2K put in the game. Over time, I may come up with some theories about how it could or should be improved.

But misunderstandings like this are why these are really hard discussions when we are talking about console games. If this were Diamond Mind Baseball, the expectations would be much different.

I'm also very dubious of the hot/cold effect 2K has employed. Using sabremetrics, guys like Tom Tippet have shown that the random roll of dice and RNG production far more relaistic hot/cold streaks than when they implement it as a feature. But then, they do not control the players like we do in a console game. And I have to admit that my initial look at simmed results made me think they may have this right.

[ambizytl]

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Besides Ruiz, I also mentioned Yadier Molina, whom I traded Ruiz for. What I discovered is McCann has a Durability rating of 98 while Molina is 90. Look at the games played and McCann as I recall had 143 last year and Molina 140. I am pretty sure that 143 for McCann is the most he's played so far. You could probably play at least 160 games a season with McCann.

[Hal Fowler]

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Besides Ruiz, I also mentioned Yadier Molina, whom I traded Ruiz for. What I discovered is McCann has a Durability rating of 98 while Molina is 90. Look at the games played and McCann as I recall had 143 last year and Molina 140. I am pretty sure that 143 for McCann is the most he's played so far. You could probably play at least 160 games a season with McCann.

But that was my point. They may not guys rated properly, or even tuned the game to use the effect properly. But fatigue is not broken. We don't even know all of the variables yet. Maybe catchers have their fatigue effected by pitch count. Maybe it is affected by the heat.

And maybe 2K decided to take it easy on catchers becasue most gamers are going to be mad if their favorite player can't play. I really don't know.

But if you are going to throw a bomb, like fatigue is broke, you need a whole lot more data than McCann is rated too high. That might be worth taking up in the thread for the devs to adjust ratings and such.

[VC_Plant]

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ambizytl overreacting? Impossible.

[ambizytl]

Re: Fatigue still not fixed

ambizytl overreacting? Impossible.

Hi there, nice to see you as usual.

[ambizytl]

Re: Fatigue still not fixed

But that was my point. They may not guys rated properly, or even tuned the game to use the effect properly. But fatigue is not broken. We don't even know all of the variables yet. Maybe catchers have their fatigue effected by pitch count. Maybe it is affected by the heat.

And maybe 2K decided to take it easy on catchers becasue most gamers are going to be mad if their favorite player can't play. I really don't know.

But if you are going to throw a bomb, like fatigue is broke, you need a whole lot more data than McCann is rated too high. That might be worth taking up in the thread for the devs to adjust ratings and such.

Catchers should not be able to play 160-162 games a season. Yes, ratings are an issue in this game, and that goes especially for pitchers. Anyway, at first I didn't realize it was tied into McCann's durability rating, which results in him being able to play 160-162 games a season.

[ambizytl]

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I changed McCann to 90 durability and that is the same as Yadier Molina at 90. Molina went from 100 to 88 after one game, next game he went to 85, and the next he went to 80. McCann went from 88 to 85 to 83 to 80--he was already at 88 when I changed him. What shows fatigue is still an issue is McCann did not get a reduction from 80 after playing the next game--he remained at 80!

So, either this is a bug or the game cheats. By the way, with both having the same durability rating, one would think they would lose energy equally. Molina, who is on my team, lost more energy from game to game then McCann.