So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

[canes21]

The title may seem a bit harsh, but I don't mean for it too. I had a franchise a while back that was around 40-50 games in, but I ended up never playing it again once I saw that players never wore down throughout the season whenever you played the game.

Now that the patch has been released I am really anxious to get a new franchise up and running. I've seen some posts that talk about catchers and other skill position players able to play 150 games a season due to fatigue still being messed up, but what other issues exist and what exactly is happening with fatigue?

I've also seen that players on the DL must be dropped down the AAA to heal, but what happens when the AAA season ends and a player is hurt?

Do you guys recommend me starting a franchise even if I really hate the fact players will be playing far too many games, or should I stick to online leagues?

[PutridExistence]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

I've also seen that players on the DL must be dropped down the AAA to heal

Damn, no wonder none of my Angels were healing. I had 7 injured players, all of them were active roster guys (Bourjos, Conger, Izturis, Kendrick, etc). Anyway, I'd say the frequency of injuries is way off, but you can always adjust that. If you're not sure about playing a full season with your franchise, just play a 50-something game (the lowest one).

[shogunofharlem3]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

I am almost through a season and I have had a great time. Much like I do in the NHL 2k10 series which doesn't have fatigue, I just make sure I swap out and scratch players once in a while to give them a night off.

Not justifying the fatigue system but that is my way around it.

Also, dropping players to the minors when they are hurt isn't that big of a deal, I actually like it because it forces me look at the minors and to bring a guy up. A kid, Berra (4 star potential SS) just took my SS stop and now he is trade bait. I thank Lucroy for getting hurt.

[RogueHominid]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

My franchise with the Phillies is going really well and is a lot of fun. The mode isn't perfect at all, but there's lots of great stuff in there.

Position players fatigue and depending on their durability, some suffer decreased hitting attributes and stuff with fatigue, while others level off and maintain a more consistent level of play despite playing every day.

Pitchers fatigue in really interesting ways. I've found that on longer stretches where I don't have games off, if I push my starters too hard, they will come to their next scheduled start a little gassed. You actually have to use spot-starters now, and you have to exercise lots of control in your use of starters and the bullpen.

The stats are fine, I think, minus games played. But every sports game, including The Show, has at least a couple of statistical categories that are off. I'd rather it be total games played than homers or batting average of pitcher wins.

The injury thing is what it is but it has a workaround. The amateur draft and working with your minors system is fun, especially when you leave injuries at default and have to deal with them on your MLB club (@ 50 they play out just right).

On the whole, I think it's totally worth staying with the mode. I know I'm gonna ride mine out for a good long while.

[canes21]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

My franchise with the Phillies is going really well and is a lot of fun. The mode isn't perfect at all, but there's lots of great stuff in there.

Position players fatigue and depending on their durability, some suffer decreased hitting attributes and stuff with fatigue, while others level off and maintain a more consistent level of play despite playing every day.

Pitchers fatigue in really interesting ways. I've found that on longer stretches where I don't have games off, if I push my starters too hard, they will come to their next scheduled start a little gassed. You actually have to use spot-starters now, and you have to exercise lots of control in your use of starters and the bullpen.

The stats are fine, I think, minus games played. But every sports game, including The Show, has at least a couple of statistical categories that are off. I'd rather it be total games played than homers or batting average of pitcher wins.

The injury thing is what it is but it has a workaround. The amateur draft and working with your minors system is fun, especially when you leave injuries at default and have to deal with them on your MLB club (@ 50 they play out just right).

On the whole, I think it's totally worth staying with the mode. I know I'm gonna ride mine out for a good long while.

Well, you pretty much persuaded me to start up a new franchise later tonight. So, even though some players are playing way too many games, all their other stats are still staying close to what they have done or are expected to do? No players playing 150 games and breaking every hitting record?

[RogueHominid]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

Well, you pretty much persuaded me to start up a new franchise later tonight. So, even though some players are playing way too many games, all their other stats are still staying close to what they have done or are expected to do? No players playing 150 games and breaking every hitting record?

Lemme triple check this tonight when I get home. I remember simming two or three full seasons and thinking things looked fine. I would have noticed if the HR leaders were way too high or the averages were too close to .400. However, I am not the type to quibble if OPS for top sluggers is down 25% or something like that.

Managing those injuries is awesome. I brought Cliff Lee back from an injury without a rehab start and he got hurt again, lol. Then I noticed that he doesn't recover from long outings as quickly as I'd like right now. Pretty fun stuff.

[cardswin2006]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

I'm 3 years into my franchise and can't complain. I regularly update the "Franchise Impressions" thread, so that should tell you my level of enjoyment.

I have not had the injury bug. Not sure why, but I haven't. I did put a guy down in AAA while he was on the DL and didn't notice a difference.

Guys might play more games than real life, but not by a crazy margin. As for the stats, most of the them are pretty darn accurate. W-L, ERA, WHIP, etc. are all normal on pitching. HR and RBIs are also very accurate in terms of the numbers, not necessarily the people. The only issue I've noticed is AVGs are down compared to real life in my third year. As a team, mine are very accurate on the human side, but the other teams seem to have abnormally low AVGs (like A-ROD hitting .215 in August...you will rarely see multiple people in a lineup over .300 later in the year). I'm not sure if this is a result of my sliders, though, as I wasn't having that issue before I adjusted them for my play style.

Definitely give it a shot, I promise you will enjoy it.

[DJ]

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Can someone post a link to a discussion of the injury bug and the fix/workaround? Or, offer up a cliff notes version of what it is?

I know I said I wouldn't do it but I'm picking this game up next week when I get back from vacation. I love The Show, but I want to get in on some second half MLB Today games and will also likely start a Franchise.

[The Bimmer]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

Well, you pretty much persuaded me to start up a new franchise later tonight. So, even though some players are playing way too many games, all their other stats are still staying close to what they have done or are expected to do? No players playing 150 games and breaking every hitting record?

Imagine if Cal Ripken read this?

[The Bimmer]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

Can someone post a link to a discussion of the injury bug and the fix/workaround? Or, offer up a cliff notes version of what it is?

I know I said I wouldn't do it but I'm picking this game up next week when I get back from vacation. I love The Show, but I want to get in on some second half MLB Today games and will also likely start a Franchise.

When a player goes on the DL, call a player up, when your are asked to swap a player because the MLB roster is full, swap him. Easy work around.

You cant move guys on the DL this is why it has to be done this way.

[canes21]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

Imagine if Cal Ripken read this?

There is a reason he's the exception. :wink:

[bkrich83]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

When a player goes on the DL, call a player up, when your are asked to swap a player because the MLB roster is full, swap him. Easy work around.

You cant move guys on the DL this is why it has to be done this way.

So are people turning fatigue off? Is that the issue with fatigue?

[shogunofharlem3]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

I'm 3 years into my franchise and can't complain. I regularly update the "Franchise Impressions" thread, so that should tell you my level of enjoyment.

I have not had the injury bug. Not sure why, but I haven't. I did put a guy down in AAA while he was on the DL and didn't notice a difference.

Guys might play more games than real life, but not by a crazy margin. As for the stats, most of the them are pretty darn accurate. W-L, ERA, WHIP, etc. are all normal on pitching. HR and RBIs are also very accurate in terms of the numbers, not necessarily the people. The only issue I've noticed is AVGs are down compared to real life in my third year. As a team, mine are very accurate on the human side, but the other teams seem to have abnormally low AVGs (like A-ROD hitting .215 in August...you will rarely see multiple people in a lineup over .300 later in the year). I'm not sure if this is a result of my sliders, though, as I wasn't having that issue before I adjusted them for my play style.

Definitely give it a shot, I promise you will enjoy it.

Hmm, interesting. DId you start your Franchise post patch? I have had the injury bug and had Marcum tear a ligament and I put him on the 60 Day DL. I didn't realize there was a bug, but it was weird he never got healthy. I sent him down now and he has 28 days left.

I started mine pre patch. Maybe franchises started post patch don't have that issue. Just curious.

[The Bimmer]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

So are people turning fatigue off? Is that the issue with fatigue?

Not sure what others may be doing, but I have it on.

The issue is when guys go on the DL their time does not count down unless you move them to the minors.

[Neolithic]

Re: So, what's wrong with franchise mode still/now?

Or if you sim games. They don't heal/DL go down on games you play. If you sim games, they go down. Hence, you ship them to the minors, who's games are simmed (unless you do play them, I think you can....)

I still haven't seen, or gotten to my self, the end of the minor league seasons and what happens then?