How Mad Should I be

[Iceman87GT]

So You can't pause the game during the perfect game challenge, which means you can't make any changes (defensively, pinch running or pinch hitting), it also means you can try and skip the announcers constant attempts to jinx the perfect game. If I knew you couldn't pause the game under any circumstances I would have just let them speak, but they don't make this rule as obvious as they should (not being able to pause the game shouldn't be something you find out by reading the internet copy of the rules, the fact that you can't make normal changes that plenty of baseball teams have made while their pitcher made his way to a perfect game should be in bold when you accept the conditions in-game not something buried in the fine print).

Anyways this thread is part warning and part how mad should I be that my game didn't count so here's how my game went:

Roy Holladay against the Pirates
W 4-0
84 pitches
12 balls
18 Ks (2 shy of the record)

[TheNumber35]

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So You can't pause the game during the perfect game challenge, which means you can't make any changes (defensively, pinch running or pinch hitting), it also means you can try and skip the announcers constant attempts to jinx the perfect game. If I knew you couldn't pause the game under any circumstances I would have just let them speak, but they don't make this rule as obvious as they should (not being able to pause the game shouldn't be something you find out by reading the internet copy of the rules, the fact that you can't make normal changes that plenty of baseball teams have made while their pitcher made his way to a perfect game should be in bold when you accept the conditions in-game not something buried in the fine print).

Anyways this thread is part warning and part how mad should I be that my game didn't count so here's how my game went:

Roy Holladay against the Pirates
W 4-0
84 pitches
12 balls
18 Ks (2 shy of the record)

You can't pause...so what? It doesn't mean you can't do all that stuff. Couldn't you just use the "on-the field" way of doing it. On 360 its down on the D-Pad, and on PS3 idk what it is, but I'd guess its the same.

[Iceman87GT]

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You can't pause...so what? It doesn't mean you can't do all that stuff. Couldn't you just use the "on-the field" way of doing it. On 360 its down on the D-Pad, and on PS3 idk what it is, but I'd guess its the same.

Still a reason to make it clear that you can't pause, I had no idea you could do on the field substitutions, I've always used the start button approach, never had a reason to do it any other way. It's good knowing that you can actually make substitutions, but I'm sure I'm not alone in typically using the pause button method almost exclusively, which is just another reason to make the fact that you can't pause the game more obvious with this competition.

[BillsFan1113]

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yeah I didn't know that from the start although I haven't gotten close to a perfect game yet....throughout a game especially in the later innings I pause a lot mainly to see the pitches thrown count against the opposing pitcher, so I'm glad i know now

[aykyle]

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It's in the rules. You can't pause the game, and you can't be inactive for more than 60 seconds. Why not read the rules before playing and going on a rant about nothing. And they do make it pretty clear. 2ksports.com/perfectclub and under rules... it has it listed in list format. You also can't have mound visits either. Stop crying. Rules are rules. You clearly broke one, so you don't get anything.

[Iceman87GT]

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It's in the rules. You can't pause the game, and you can't be inactive for more than 60 seconds. Why not read the rules before playing and going on a rant about nothing. And they do make it pretty clear. 2ksports.com/perfectclub and under rules... it has it listed in list format. You also can't have mound visits either. Stop crying. Rules are rules. You clearly broke one, so you don't get anything.

I'm not mad that that is a rule, I'm mad that something as common as hitting the pause button is enough to get you disqualified and yet this is not made clear on the in-game screen. As I said people use the pause button to make substitutions, this is almost second nature to them after a month with the game (longer if they have played previous versions, of this or for that matter any sports game), never would I figure this would be one of the things forbidden by the rules, so I didn't bother to read them figuring they were more on the side of legal protections than normal things you do in a game. I would get them leaving the 60 seconds inactive thing off the in-game agreement screen or the no mound visits (as no one in the middle of a perfect game gets a mound visit in real life), but something that is so common amongst players of the game shouldn't be kept in what is essentially the fine print.

The title of the thread isn't a question of how mad I should be at 2K for making this info inconvienient its a question of how mad shouold I be that I pitched a perfect gamne with 18 Ks but wound up not being eligible for the contest (i.e. would this have gotten me a score that would have earned me a trip to NYC, thus I should be very upset with not knowing that rule, or was my use of Holladay against the Pirates enough to drop me out of the top 8 despite what would be a personal best for the pitcher (in other words have enough people posted similar performances with lesser pitchers thus scoring higher)).

I'm not advocating for my performance to count (not crying over breaking the rules), I'm simply advocating that they make rule banning the common practice of pausing the game something you can see clearly on the in-game agreement screen, as well as letting people know that you can't pause the game for this challenge. Not disagreeing with the rule just disagreeing with how they displayed it.

[Yeats]

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Stop crying.

Jeez, lay off the guy. No need for that. He was simply asking a question, wow.

[Yeats]

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Not disagreeing with the rule just disagreeing with how they displayed it.

IMO, if you're entering a contest, it's up to you to read the rules beforehand. If they clearly listed all that in the rules, then that's all they need to do. Can't expect them to do more than that.

[aykyle]

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I'm not mad that that is a rule, I'm mad that something as common as hitting the pause button is enough to get you disqualified and yet this is not made clear on the in-game screen. As I said people use the pause button to make substitutions, this is almost second nature to them after a month with the game (longer if they have played previous versions, of this or for that matter any sports game), never would I figure this would be one of the things forbidden by the rules, so I didn't bother to read them figuring they were more on the side of legal protections than normal things you do in a game. I would get them leaving the 60 seconds inactive thing off the in-game agreement screen or the no mound visits (as no one in the middle of a perfect game gets a mound visit in real life), but something that is so common amongst players of the game shouldn't be kept in what is essentially the fine print.

The title of the thread isn't a question of how mad I should be at 2K for making this info inconvienient its a question of how mad shouold I be that I pitched a perfect gamne with 18 Ks but wound up not being eligible for the contest (i.e. would this have gotten me a score that would have earned me a trip to NYC, thus I should be very upset with not knowing that rule, or was my use of Holladay against the Pirates enough to drop me out of the top 8 despite what would be a personal best for the pitcher (in other words have enough people posted similar performances with lesser pitchers thus scoring higher)).

I'm not advocating for my performance to count (not crying over breaking the rules), I'm simply advocating that they make rule banning the common practice of pausing the game something you can see clearly on the in-game agreement screen, as well as letting people know that you can't pause the game for this challenge. Not disagreeing with the rule just disagreeing with how they displayed it.

Regardless if you were mad at 2k or not. You post a thread "how mad should I be". Which means you are pretty pissed you weren't eligible. You wouldn't have gotten a trip to NY because you used the Phillies which has a Perfect Game difficulty at one of the lowest. Against one of the worst teams in the game. You should have read the rules. It was stupid of you to "figure otherwise". And the fact you went on a three paragraph explanation, means you weren't just pissed that you were't eligible, you were mad a 2k for not serving the rules on a silver platter for you. I won't "lay off the guy". I don't forgive stupidity. It was your fault, not 2k's fault for "not making it clearer". Because, I read the rules, and it was pretty crystal for me and everyone whose actually read the rules. You think you are the only person who pitched a perfect game that didn't count? No. Next time you participate in a competition, you should read the rules. Simple as that. I am not here to baby the kid and pat him on the back and tell him "it's ok. 2k is stoopid".

[Jim Jones]

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Well, not that it makes it any better, but you probably wouldn't have gotten in the top 8 anyway with Halladay vs. the Pirates. Although the 18 K's would have given you a good score, I don't think you would have had enough to get in the top 8 because they would have knocked you for being such a good pitcher against such a bad team.

[aykyle]

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Well, not that it makes it any better, but you probably wouldn't have gotten in the top 8 anyway with Halladay vs. the Pirates. Although the 18 K's would have given you a good score, I don't think you would have had enough to get in the top 8 because they would have knocked you for being such a good pitcher against such a bad team.

Exactly. The top 8 are going to be people who won with the worst pitchers vs some of the best teams. Not the best pitcher vs some of the worst teams.

[Iceman87GT]

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Regardless if you were mad at 2k or not. You post a thread "how mad should I be". Which means you are pretty pissed you weren't eligible. You wouldn't have gotten a trip to NY because you used the Phillies which has a Perfect Game difficulty at one of the lowest. Against one of the worst teams in the game. You should have read the rules. It was stupid of you to "figure otherwise". And the fact you went on a three paragraph explanation, means you weren't just pissed that you were't eligible, you were mad a 2k for not serving the rules on a silver platter for you. I won't "lay off the guy". I don't forgive stupidity. It was your fault, not 2k's fault for "not making it clearer". Because, I read the rules, and it was pretty crystal for me and everyone whose actually read the rules. You think you are the only person who pitched a perfect game that didn't count? No. Next time you participate in a competition, you should read the rules. Simple as that. I am not here to baby the kid and pat him on the back and tell him "it's ok. 2k is stoopid".

Did you read the middle paragraph? I laid out for you what the title meant and you ignored it. I wanted to know whether I should be mad (perhaps disappointed is a better word) that my performance didn't count. Had I pitched a game worthy of a trip to NYC? or just one that would have gotten me on the leaderboards along with all the others who pitched perfect games but not perfect enough to win anything. I took 3 paragraphs to explain it to you because it didn't get through to you that I wasn't on a rant about nothing and certainly wasn't crying over anything.

I think its valid to assume that you can pause the game and not have your game voided, I also think it makes sense for a rule banning something that is second nature to gamers on the in-game agreement. Typically the online rules aspect of games involves legal protections, or obscure items (60 seconds without any actions), rarely do they involve rules like pausing. I'm not upset about the rule existing, I do think they should have made that single part something you see without having to go online. They don't have to do that, they don't need to do that, but it certainly makes sense to be a little more upfront about not being able to do what is virtually second nature.

I'm not advocating that my game count, I know it is my fault that my game didn't count. I don't blame 2K for this situation, and the length of my response shouldn't convince you otherwise (especially when the length of the response is to explain my position, I could have made it shorter but then I would have left out the part about not being mad at 2K).

Well, not that it makes it any better, but you probably wouldn't have gotten in the top 8 anyway with Halladay vs. the Pirates. Although the 18 K's would have given you a good score, I don't think you would have had enough to get in the top 8 because they would have knocked you for being such a good pitcher against such a bad team.

Finally an answer expressed in a non-condescending way! I was hoping for some anecdotal evidence (e.g. I threw 18 Ks with Halladay and didn't make the top 8 on the leaderboard, or I threw 20 Ks with Tommy Hanson and I'm currently in 5th), but I figured that this would be the case.

Q: How mad should I be?
A: Not Very.

[aykyle]

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Did you read the middle paragraph? I laid out for you what the title meant and you ignored it. I wanted to know whether I should be mad (perhaps disappointed is a better word) that my performance didn't count. Had I pitched a game worthy of a trip to NYC? or just one that would have gotten me on the leaderboards along with all the others who pitched perfect games but not perfect enough to win anything. I took 3 paragraphs to explain it to you because it didn't get through to you that I wasn't on a rant about nothing and certainly wasn't crying over anything.

I think its valid to assume that you can pause the game and not have your game voided, I also think it makes sense for a rule banning something that is second nature to gamers on the in-game agreement. Typically the online rules aspect of games involves legal protections, or obscure items (60 seconds without any actions), rarely do they involve rules like pausing. I'm not upset about the rule existing, I do think they should have made that single part something you see without having to go online. They don't have to do that, they don't need to do that, but it certainly makes sense to be a little more upfront about not being able to do what is virtually second nature.

I'm not advocating that my game count, I know it is my fault that my game didn't count. I don't blame 2K for this situation, and the length of my response shouldn't convince you otherwise (especially when the length of the response is to explain my position, I could have made it shorter but then I would have left out the part about not being mad at 2K).

Lol, I read it. And I did respond to it. If you read the first line in my post. I did say you shouldn't be mad you aren't eligible because it was your fault you aren't eligible. It isn't valid to assume you can pause the game during this challenge. If you can't be inactive for 60 seconds, why would you be able to pause the game? It has the same concept. And Online RULES involve RULES. The website was posted on commercials and if you can get on Xbox Live, you can easily get on your phone or computer and go to the website to read the rules.

Spoiler

By entering the Contest, entrants accept and agree to be bound by these Official Rules and the decisions of the Sponsor, the MLB Entities and the MLBPA. The Released Parties are not responsible for late, lost, delayed, incomplete, corrupt, or misdirected entries, responses, paper entries or other correspondence, whether by internet transmission, e-mail, postal mail or overnight carrier or otherwise, or for theft or destruction or unauthorized access or alterations of entry materials, phone, electrical, network, computer, hardware, software program or transmission malfunctions, failures or difficulties. By participating in the Contest, entrant releases the Released Parties from any and all liability with respect to the Contest or the acceptance, possession or use of any prize, including without limitation (i) any condition that may cause the Contest to be disrupted or corrupted; (ii) any injuries, losses, or damages (compensatory, direct, incidental, consequential or otherwise) of any kind arising in connection with or as a result of the prize, or acceptance, possession, or use of the prize, or from participation in the Contest; and (iii) any printing, typographical or technical errors in any materials associated with the Contest. Sponsor’s decisions in all respects relative to the Contest are final. Sponsor reserves the right, in its sole and absolute discretion, to cancel, modify or suspend the Contest in whole or in part, in the event of virus, bugs, non-authorized human intervention, fraud, technical or other difficulties or causes which corrupt or affect the administration, security, fairness or proper conduct of the Contest or if the integrity of the Contest is compromised, without liability to the entrant. In such case, Sponsor may select the winner from all eligible entries received prior to and/or after (if appropriate) the action taken by Sponsor. Sponsor reserves the right, at its sole and absolute discretion, to disqualify any individual it finds, in its sole and absolute discretion, to be tampering with the entry process or the operation of the Contest or web site.

And you assume that pausing the game is a "general thing". I have never done it if I did not have to. You paused it so a pre-programmed commentator that already has pre-existing speaking lines, wouldn't "jinx" you. From my understanding, a computer can't jinx you. How could they make that single part clearer? It is in the rules. They made the website for a reason. They promoted the Contest with the site for a reason. Just because they made you go on the internet(oh boo hoo, as if everyone in this competition hasn't gone on it) doesn't make it their fault. Oh, they didn't post the "no pausing the game" rule on a billboard outside of your house, yea it is totally their fault for not showcasing it clearer. You contradicted yourself. "I think 2k should have made that rule clearer". "I am not blaming 2k". Uh, saying they should have made it clearer is blaming them. Seriously... I am not even going to bother replying to your next post. It would be a waste of my time trying to tell you that it isn't 2k's responsibility to plaster the rule all over the place. The competition only takes place online. I haven't seen anyone else who cried about not being eligible because they hit start. Yes you are crying, you made a pointless thread asking people how you should feel. Get over it.

[Iceman87GT]

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Lol, I read it. And I did respond to it. If you read the first line in my post. I did say you shouldn't be mad you aren't eligible because it was your fault you aren't eligible. It isn't valid to assume you can pause the game during this challenge. If you can't be inactive for 60 seconds, why would you be able to pause the game? It has the same concept. And Online RULES involve RULES. The website was posted on commercials and if you can get on Xbox Live, you can easily get on your phone or computer and go to the website to read the rules.

Spoiler

By entering the Contest, entrants accept and agree to be bound by these Official Rules and the decisions of the Sponsor, the MLB Entities and the MLBPA. The Released Parties are not responsible for late, lost, delayed, incomplete, corrupt, or misdirected entries, responses, paper entries or other correspondence, whether by internet transmission, e-mail, postal mail or overnight carrier or otherwise, or for theft or destruction or unauthorized access or alterations of entry materials, phone, electrical, network, computer, hardware, software program or transmission malfunctions, failures or difficulties. By participating in the Contest, entrant releases the Released Parties from any and all liability with respect to the Contest or the acceptance, possession or use of any prize, including without limitation (i) any condition that may cause the Contest to be disrupted or corrupted; (ii) any injuries, losses, or damages (compensatory, direct, incidental, consequential or otherwise) of any kind arising in connection with or as a result of the prize, or acceptance, possession, or use of the prize, or from participation in the Contest; and (iii) any printing, typographical or technical errors in any materials associated with the Contest. Sponsor’s decisions in all respects relative to the Contest are final. Sponsor reserves the right, in its sole and absolute discretion, to cancel, modify or suspend the Contest in whole or in part, in the event of virus, bugs, non-authorized human intervention, fraud, technical or other difficulties or causes which corrupt or affect the administration, security, fairness or proper conduct of the Contest or if the integrity of the Contest is compromised, without liability to the entrant. In such case, Sponsor may select the winner from all eligible entries received prior to and/or after (if appropriate) the action taken by Sponsor. Sponsor reserves the right, at its sole and absolute discretion, to disqualify any individual it finds, in its sole and absolute discretion, to be tampering with the entry process or the operation of the Contest or web site.

And you assume that pausing the game is a "general thing". I have never done it if I did not have to. You paused it so a pre-programmed commentator that already has pre-existing speaking lines, wouldn't "jinx" you. From my understanding, a computer can't jinx you. How could they make that single part clearer? It is in the rules. They made the website for a reason. They promoted the Contest with the site for a reason. Just because they made you go on the internet(oh boo hoo, as if everyone in this competition hasn't gone on it) doesn't make it their fault. Oh, they didn't post the "no pausing the game" rule on a billboard outside of your house, yea it is totally their fault for not showcasing it clearer. You contradicted yourself. "I think 2k should have made that rule clearer". "I am not blaming 2k". Uh, saying they should have made it clearer is blaming them. Seriously... I am not even going to bother replying to your next post. It would be a waste of my time trying to tell you that it isn't 2k's responsibility to plaster the rule all over the place. The competition only takes place online. I haven't seen anyone else who cried about not being eligible because they hit start. Yes you are crying, you made a pointless thread asking people how you should feel. Get over it.

I'm not blaming my ineligible game on them, I think it should have been made clearer that pausing the game will void the entry, 2 completely different things (the rule was there, it wasn't as obvious as I feel it should have but that doesn't mean it shouldn't void my game). You're attitude towards me is based solely on how you interpret my position but you have interpreted it wrong. You think I blame them for this, I don't, yes they could have made that rule more obvious (considering that people pause the game to make defensive changes, believe me had I needed a pinch hitter I would have pressed pause), but that doesn't mean the rule didn't/shouldn't exist. And you should have read that I understand that they have no obligation to post it anywhere else.

The frustration/anger/whatever you want to call it wasn't directed at 2K, or for that matter anyone specifically. I pressed pause and voided my game, the question was did I just lose my chance at getting on the leaderboards or had a blown a shot at moving on in the contest? Its like having the winning raffle ticket but being in the bathroom when the number is announced, you can't get mad at the ones calling out the numbers for moving on, but you can still be upset that you blew a chance at the prize. So your you can't be mad because your voided your performance argument holds no salt, I can't be mad at 2K but I can still be upset at missing out on a chance at winning something. Everyone else seemed to get this, you used it as an opportunity to attack me, the others either answered the questioned (in a non-condescending way might I add), or they gave their 2 cents on the topic. Heck this thread helped at least one person realize that you can't pause the game and have it still count.

[stlstudios189]

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yeah the rules are a little crazy hard to follow thats why I didn't even bother with it. Set up video camera, no more than 60 sec inactivity etc.. I haven't pitched a perfect game since 2002 anyways