Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

[TheNumber35]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Lol? No. What I am saying that if you have the fast guy at 2nd steal 3rd and the batter bunt the ball. And the guy that is stealing is already at 3rd when the batter makes contact, I am saying that they will trade an out for a run 99% of the time. And this isn't a guarantee that he will score. The cpu might decide not to throw to first and get the guy at home.

Stop acting like he is doing this to win a million dollars. He isn't. Let him play the game the way he wants to and don't judge him. Its a video game. He asked if it were a cheesy way. Some said yes and some said no. He didn't ask to be criticized. No game is going to be 100% perfect. Clearly you don't understand that. Get. Over. It.

To the OP, just play the game the way you want to play.

Just read through this thread...and for the record man, since the title of the thread is "Is this a cheesy way to score runs?" he did in fact ask to be criticized.

Short answer: Cheesy

Long answer: How are we even debating that exploiting an animation delay to score a run every time is or isn't cheese. Yes people, it has happened in real life, but how many times have you seen it? I can only recall once in the 13-14 years I've been watching baseball. This is kinda a boring way to play the game but that's not my place to judge, play how you want. But again, if it works every single time because of an animation hiccup its definitely cheese.

[Yeats]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

and for the record man, since the title of the thread is "Is this a cheesy way to score runs?" he did in fact ask to be criticized.

Heh, reading comprehension doesn't seem to be in big supply in this thread. The same posters missed the OP's "can score every single time" comment as well.

[TheNumber35]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Heh, reading comprehension doesn't seem to be in big supply in this thread. The same posters missed the OP's "can score every single time" comment as well.

What I don't get is why post this here? It seems to be common sense that it would be seen as cheesy to most posters and that you would be getting flack for it...its almost as if it was done to get a rise out of people.

Now the baseball play itself isn't cheese, because as has been said many-a-times in here, the play has occurred in real life. But in the game it is impossible to have there be a decently threatening risk/reward for attempting this play. The reason teams don't do this every time there's a fast guy on second is because there's a big risk that you'd get thrown out by a mile at the plate and risk losing a run. But that isn't possible here, as the animations don't allow players to react quickly enough to apply that risk/reward. There's 0 risk and only a reward for doing this in the game, and that makes it cheesy.

[aykyle]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Heh, reading comprehension doesn't seem to be in big supply in this thread. The same posters missed the OP's "can score every single time" comment as well.

Seems like your comprehension is a little slow. He didn't say that he does it every single time there is a runner on 2nd. He meant that it works every time he attempts to actually do it.

I know he asked the question. Clearly. I am saying that he doesn't need Yeats going over and quoting every post to input a dumb comment. Yeats needs to stop acting like an incompetent imbecile by posting smart little comments like that. Grow up, kid.
I am not going to argue this anymore. Considering my reading comprehension is too slow for Yeats's glorious remarks.

[Plache]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Complete cheese.

[DanDaBreadman]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Just put all the sliders to your advantage and have a cheesefest. Why beat around the bush?

[Yeats]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Just put all the sliders to your advantage and have a cheesefest. Why beat around the bush?

Because that would be cheating. Whereas everyone who follows baseball knows 100s of runs are scored each year by MLB managers who bunt runners home from 2nd base. It's as common as the pop fly.

[TheNumber35]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Because that would be cheating. Whereas everyone who follows baseball knows 100s of runs are scored each year by MLB managers who bunt runners home from 2nd base. It's as common as the pop fly.

Had a chuckle at this, but its the crux of the point being made in here. As far as I can tell, you don't care about if he does it every time he has a runner on second...you care that it works every time, which is a fact people have restated as an argument in favor of this? I don't get it since that proves the point this is cheese.

The only thing that should be a guaranteed run in baseball is a HR ball or a bases loaded walk/HBP...everything else is up for grabs by variety, parity, and the freak situations that are baseball.

[1andonly]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Never once did I say I do it...not once.

It did it once in franchise and it worked really well so I tried it some more in just play now and found out I can do it 100% of the time.

If you guys wanna be dicks about it be my guest. I was just simply asking other people's opinions on what they thought about it. Clearly not everyone in this thread think's it's fair and not everyone thinks it's a cheap way to score runs.

[Krawhitham]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

I want to know if you guys think this is a cheesy way to score runs. So recently I just figured out with a decent fast player on 2B with less than 2 outs I can score him every single time.

All I gotta do is lead off twice, steal, have the batter bunt the ball, and then just round 3B with my runner and score.

The by the time the CPU is throwing the ball to 1B my runner has just rounded 3B and they can't get the ball to home fast enough to get me.

What do you guys think of this? It feels kinda cheesy

Did you have any problem with the ending to movie Major League?

[Plache]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Never once did I say I do it...not once.

It did it once in franchise and it worked really well so I tried it some more in just play now and found out I can do it 100% of the time.

If you guys wanna be dicks about it be my guest. I was just simply asking other people's opinions on what they thought about it. Clearly not everyone in this thread think's it's fair and not everyone thinks it's a cheap way to score runs.

Any gamer that thinks this method of scoring isn't complete and total cheese really needs to think about just putting the game down or trading it in. Because at this point you're no longer talking about a baseball play, you're just cheesing to get a cheap run and if that's what a player has to do to win, he's likely better off just quitting altogether because he really, REALLY sucks at this game and has no business ruining the game for those of us that actually want an enjoyable (and somewhat fair) experience online. Really, if you have to cheat and abuse the A.I. just to "win": just go ahead and quit playing, you suck anyway.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

It isn't a glitch to the point everyone thinks it is. The animation part where the 1B catches it and walks off the bag part isn't really a glitch. Just a programming error. But this happens in real life as well. Maybe not with the bunting part. But people in the MLB do hit'n'runs to score a man from second to home. The other team will give up a run to get an out. It is common.

Not a cheesy way. Not exploiting. Just playing the game.

And he isn't saying he is using it every time a man is on 2nd. He is saying it works every time he decides to use it. Yeats, I don't understand how you go from saying this is a glitch to saying it is okay every 3 seasons. Way to stick to your guns!

If you catch the defender napping, that's 1 thing. If you are expecting it to the point that you preload your throw to the plate after throwing the guy out at first and you still can't get him out, it is a glitch. people pull this stuff all the time online, this is not the TS's original idea.

[TheNumber35]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

Did you have any problem with the ending to movie Major League?

See this is where there's a tricky line to walk here with this play...I don't think anyone had a problem with that ending because we've seen the play happen in real life occasionally (pretty rare from plays I can remember off the top of my head.) The reason it doesn't happen more is because of the GIGANTIC RISK you take on this play, there's a much higher chance you look stupid and get gunned out by a mile at the plate than of scoring...which turns managers away from this as a tactic.

Myself and the others who have an issue with this (from what I can read and what I think they mean by it) because of the whole "It works every time" sentiment. The baseball play itself isn't cheesy...as I've said the whole time, it's happened in real life and is possible. The problem is with the fact that it is being reported to work every time and that there isn't a large enough risk to make this feel realistic. I was curious if this was true, so I loaded up a play now game on mkharsh's sliders and tested it out.

Here's what I found:

I decided to only run it with players who were 80+ speed because that's what I'd consider "decently fast". I played as the Marlins against the Cardinals for those who care. I managed 13 runners on 2nd base over the course of the game, of those 13, 11 were 80+ speed runners. Of those 11, all 11 scored on this play without fail. The first baseman couldn't get out of his animation after the throw on the bunt play fast enough to throw out the runner.

What I've learned: The play should be considered cheese because its a guaranteed run whenever there's a runner on 2nd base with 80+ speed. Like I said earlier, the only guaranteed runs in baseball should be a bases loaded walk/HBP or a HR ball...that's it.

[aykyle]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

If you catch the defender napping, that's 1 thing. If you are expecting it to the point that you preload your throw to the plate after throwing the guy out at first and you still can't get him out, it is a glitch. people pull this stuff all the time online, this is not the TS's original idea.

I said it isn't a glitch to the point everyone thinks it is. I said it is an animation error.
How is that a glitch?

[TheNumber35]

Re: Is this a cheesy way to score runs?

I said it isn't a glitch to the point everyone thinks it is. I said it is an animation error.
How is that a glitch?

An animation error is a glitch...its a programming/coding error that causes an unrealistic result and people can exploit it. I don't see the difference between a glitch and an animation error. To me at least, I'd consider them one in the same.

And regardless of what you call it, its still crappy and really bush-league to use in this game for all the reasons I've listed in my posts throughout (not saying you disagree, but I've honestly lost track of who feels what way with how sideways this thread has went lol)