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  • sdrotar
    OS Managing Ed., 2002-07
    • Jul 2002
    • 1055

    #121
    Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

    First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.

    I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."

    Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.

    To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...

    For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.

    I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.

    Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
    Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.
    Shawn Drotar
    Former Managing Editor, OperationSports.com (2002-07)

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    • Erv
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 2105

      #122
      Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

      Am I missing something? I don't understand why it would be so difficult to force a mandatory patch?

      It seems sega hasn't learned from their past mistakes.

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      • Erv
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 2105

        #123
        Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

        Am I missing something? I don't understand why it would be so difficult to force a mandatory patch?

        It seems sega hasn't learned from their past mistakes.

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        • Erv
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 2105

          #124
          Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

          Am I missing something? I don't understand why it would be so difficult to force a mandatory patch?

          It seems sega hasn't learned from their past mistakes.

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          • SoMiss2000
            Hall Of Fame
            • Oct 2002
            • 20499

            #125
            Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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            sdrotar said:
            First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.

            I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."

            Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.

            To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...

            For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.

            I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.

            Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
            Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
            "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
            Check out www.sliderset.net



            Currently Listening: The D.O.C.: No One Can Do It Better (evidence that rap music used to be good!)

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            • SoMiss2000
              Hall Of Fame
              • Oct 2002
              • 20499

              #126
              Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              sdrotar said:
              First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.

              I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."

              Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.

              To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...

              For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.

              I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.

              Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
              Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
              "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
              Check out www.sliderset.net



              Currently Listening: The D.O.C.: No One Can Do It Better (evidence that rap music used to be good!)

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              • SoMiss2000
                Hall Of Fame
                • Oct 2002
                • 20499

                #127
                Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                sdrotar said:
                First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.

                I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."

                Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.

                To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...

                For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.

                I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.

                Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
                Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                "Never trust a big butt and a smile."-Ricky Bell
                Check out www.sliderset.net



                Currently Listening: The D.O.C.: No One Can Do It Better (evidence that rap music used to be good!)

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                • Virix
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 1007

                  #128
                  Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  sdrotar said:
                  First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.

                  I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."

                  Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.

                  To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...

                  For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.

                  I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.

                  Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
                  Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  Great post.

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                  • Virix
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 1007

                    #129
                    Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    sdrotar said:
                    First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.

                    I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."

                    Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.

                    To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...

                    For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.

                    I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.

                    Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
                    Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Great post.

                    Comment

                    • Virix
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 1007

                      #130
                      Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      sdrotar said:
                      First, I'd like to point out that both FatPitcher and Fossen make cogent arguments in their posts, and I greatly appreciate that this thread has kept a sensible and productive tone.

                      I haven't decided which way I'll go yet for this year's baseball titles - I never do until I've played them all - but there's no question that I've been a unabashed fan of Sega's products over the last few years - much more so than Electronic Arts. This will come as no surprise to the large masses that routinely (and incorrectly) label OS as a "Sega fansite."

                      Sega has to try harder - there's no question about that. EA has a arsenal of cash and marketing expertise that they bring to bear upon the market every year. Fortunately for gamers, Sega's done that, and provided gamers with superior products for years. I have to agree with Fossen - in that while I respect Sega's decisions on the lack of usable online roster updates - I strongly think it's the wrong one - and it may end up costing Sega my money; money that they've been able to count on for years.

                      To claw their way up, Sega needs more ardent fans - people that love their products, and sell their friends on them. Even EA wasn't always about commercials and product placement...

                      For the time being, since major sales numbers aren't likely in the offing, building a strong fan base that Sega knows they can rely on becomes critical. Building it may require catering to the "whining malcontents" - the people who care so much about a title that they dedicate their time, passion and energy discussing it and posting about it at Operation Sports and places like it.

                      I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their job, and I appreciate FatPitcher taking the time to keep us in the loop over the years.

                      Nevertheless, I'd like to offer one kernel of wisdom:
                      Sometimes, the two-percent solution is exactly that - a solution.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Great post.

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                      • dguru
                        Rookie
                        • May 2003
                        • 136

                        #131
                        Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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                        Triggerfish said:
                        Online games are the future..care now...not later,it will be too late. I really do want to go to ESPN but what you deem as no big deal.....is a big deal to me.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        keep at it guys and maybe just maybe us Xbox boys will get a treat......

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                        • dguru
                          Rookie
                          • May 2003
                          • 136

                          #132
                          Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          Triggerfish said:
                          Online games are the future..care now...not later,it will be too late. I really do want to go to ESPN but what you deem as no big deal.....is a big deal to me.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          keep at it guys and maybe just maybe us Xbox boys will get a treat......

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                          • dguru
                            Rookie
                            • May 2003
                            • 136

                            #133
                            Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            Triggerfish said:
                            Online games are the future..care now...not later,it will be too late. I really do want to go to ESPN but what you deem as no big deal.....is a big deal to me.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            keep at it guys and maybe just maybe us Xbox boys will get a treat......

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                            • GameDude
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 388

                              #134
                              Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                              You guys have no idea how hard it is to write an online game, especially for 2 different networks. Ideally, everyone would get everything they want from this game. I, too wish that Sega would throw more money at it so we could get more of what we want out of it. You should know, though, that what you want might not be what someone else wants. Someone wants online play, but doesn't care about the improvements to the game itself. Someone else wants improvements to the game and doesn't care about online play. Who do you cater to? You cater to as many individuals as you can.

                              I'm sure that most of their resources went to online play this time around, so is it possible to at least be happy about that? They simply don't have the money that EA has, but does anybody?... No. I like the Linux vs. Windows analogy. And for what it's worth, adding updated rosters is not just a phone call away.

                              Personally, I don't care about online play, as I don't hook my PS2 to the internet. I just want to play the best game out there. I wish they would have ignored online so I could get a better game, but that is just my opinion and I know it doesn't jive with anyone else's opinion who is posting to this thread. I hope with all the time they had to put in for 2 different networking protocols and all the advancements they've put toward the PS2 version, that they still had time to improve the gameplay.

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                              • GameDude
                                Rookie
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 388

                                #135
                                Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                                You guys have no idea how hard it is to write an online game, especially for 2 different networks. Ideally, everyone would get everything they want from this game. I, too wish that Sega would throw more money at it so we could get more of what we want out of it. You should know, though, that what you want might not be what someone else wants. Someone wants online play, but doesn't care about the improvements to the game itself. Someone else wants improvements to the game and doesn't care about online play. Who do you cater to? You cater to as many individuals as you can.

                                I'm sure that most of their resources went to online play this time around, so is it possible to at least be happy about that? They simply don't have the money that EA has, but does anybody?... No. I like the Linux vs. Windows analogy. And for what it's worth, adding updated rosters is not just a phone call away.

                                Personally, I don't care about online play, as I don't hook my PS2 to the internet. I just want to play the best game out there. I wish they would have ignored online so I could get a better game, but that is just my opinion and I know it doesn't jive with anyone else's opinion who is posting to this thread. I hope with all the time they had to put in for 2 different networking protocols and all the advancements they've put toward the PS2 version, that they still had time to improve the gameplay.

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