I've simmed many seasons and I've never seen a pitcher show that much improvement in their ratings. I've seen position players go from 40 to 80 in a couple years, but pitchers never go up more than a couple points. It's kind of annoying since none of my created pitchers ever become great pitchers unless I'm generous on their inital ratings. Has anyone seen any promising young pitchers (like Heilman, Harden, Brazelton, etc) reach their potential or do they mostly hover in the 70's and low 80's?
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Has anyone else noticed this alleged problem that young or created pitchers are not progressing well in their respective ratings? -
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Has anyone else noticed this alleged problem that young or created pitchers are not progressing well in their respective ratings?Comment
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Has anyone else noticed this alleged problem that young or created pitchers are not progressing well in their respective ratings?Comment
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I've done some testing with my rosters and I've seen OKAY progression in a few pitchers. For instance, Rich Harden starts off as a 74 (I think) and he did get to an 88 overall. However, pitchers occasionally meet, but never exceed this kind of progression.
Batters progress extremely well while pitchers hardly progress at all. Prince Fielder who has an A potential and only a 40 overall rating seems to progress into the 90's at some point in his career every single time. Bobby Jenks (a pitcher) who has a B potential and a 64 rating overall occasionally breaks 70. It may be an issue with there being more ratings for a pitcher when you include the fact that every pitcher has an additional three ratings for each of their pitches.
I've tested progression simming 10-game seasons and I don't think that would affect anything as progression has never been performance based. If anybody has seen a pitcher start off with an overall rating below 60 and end up being a great pitcher, let us know. I would like to be proven wrong. As it stands right now, if you sim 20 years and check the overall ratings of all of the players, you'll be lucky to find more than one pitcher over a 90 overall and the one is probably a really old Mark Prior.
This is also relevant information for anyone thinking of making rosters since, as I understand it, if you create a pitcher as not major league ready, he'll become a PRETTY good major leaguer at best. So...you'll either have to create pitchers already somewhat close to their potential which means teams will overloaded with talent or let them be scrubs for life.Comment
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Re: Pticher Progression
I've done some testing with my rosters and I've seen OKAY progression in a few pitchers. For instance, Rich Harden starts off as a 74 (I think) and he did get to an 88 overall. However, pitchers occasionally meet, but never exceed this kind of progression.
Batters progress extremely well while pitchers hardly progress at all. Prince Fielder who has an A potential and only a 40 overall rating seems to progress into the 90's at some point in his career every single time. Bobby Jenks (a pitcher) who has a B potential and a 64 rating overall occasionally breaks 70. It may be an issue with there being more ratings for a pitcher when you include the fact that every pitcher has an additional three ratings for each of their pitches.
I've tested progression simming 10-game seasons and I don't think that would affect anything as progression has never been performance based. If anybody has seen a pitcher start off with an overall rating below 60 and end up being a great pitcher, let us know. I would like to be proven wrong. As it stands right now, if you sim 20 years and check the overall ratings of all of the players, you'll be lucky to find more than one pitcher over a 90 overall and the one is probably a really old Mark Prior.
This is also relevant information for anyone thinking of making rosters since, as I understand it, if you create a pitcher as not major league ready, he'll become a PRETTY good major leaguer at best. So...you'll either have to create pitchers already somewhat close to their potential which means teams will overloaded with talent or let them be scrubs for life.Comment
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Re: Pticher Progression
I've done some testing with my rosters and I've seen OKAY progression in a few pitchers. For instance, Rich Harden starts off as a 74 (I think) and he did get to an 88 overall. However, pitchers occasionally meet, but never exceed this kind of progression.
Batters progress extremely well while pitchers hardly progress at all. Prince Fielder who has an A potential and only a 40 overall rating seems to progress into the 90's at some point in his career every single time. Bobby Jenks (a pitcher) who has a B potential and a 64 rating overall occasionally breaks 70. It may be an issue with there being more ratings for a pitcher when you include the fact that every pitcher has an additional three ratings for each of their pitches.
I've tested progression simming 10-game seasons and I don't think that would affect anything as progression has never been performance based. If anybody has seen a pitcher start off with an overall rating below 60 and end up being a great pitcher, let us know. I would like to be proven wrong. As it stands right now, if you sim 20 years and check the overall ratings of all of the players, you'll be lucky to find more than one pitcher over a 90 overall and the one is probably a really old Mark Prior.
This is also relevant information for anyone thinking of making rosters since, as I understand it, if you create a pitcher as not major league ready, he'll become a PRETTY good major leaguer at best. So...you'll either have to create pitchers already somewhat close to their potential which means teams will overloaded with talent or let them be scrubs for life.Comment
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Re: Pticher Progression
I have the solution (just e-mailed ya Defel):
Pitch ratings.
A 51 rated pitcher with 5 99-rated pitches still performs like a 51 rated pitcher. But, he will progress much better (as long as the potential rating is correct). So, what we need to do (you already know that I am doing this, Defel) is rate the pitcher's pitcher at a ML level (which most young pitchers have anyway), and rate their pitcher ratings at a prospect level.
Example: I created Adam Loewen at a 51 overall with an A- potential. His fastball and curveball were 71 and 85, respectively, with a 63 rated changeup. In three years, Loewen was rated an 82.
When I did the same test with Loewen's pitches rated below 60, he progress to 61 and that was it.
Pitcher's pitches never progress, but their ratings do.
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Re: Pticher Progression
I have the solution (just e-mailed ya Defel):
Pitch ratings.
A 51 rated pitcher with 5 99-rated pitches still performs like a 51 rated pitcher. But, he will progress much better (as long as the potential rating is correct). So, what we need to do (you already know that I am doing this, Defel) is rate the pitcher's pitcher at a ML level (which most young pitchers have anyway), and rate their pitcher ratings at a prospect level.
Example: I created Adam Loewen at a 51 overall with an A- potential. His fastball and curveball were 71 and 85, respectively, with a 63 rated changeup. In three years, Loewen was rated an 82.
When I did the same test with Loewen's pitches rated below 60, he progress to 61 and that was it.
Pitcher's pitches never progress, but their ratings do.
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#10
Re: Pticher Progression
I have the solution (just e-mailed ya Defel):
Pitch ratings.
A 51 rated pitcher with 5 99-rated pitches still performs like a 51 rated pitcher. But, he will progress much better (as long as the potential rating is correct). So, what we need to do (you already know that I am doing this, Defel) is rate the pitcher's pitcher at a ML level (which most young pitchers have anyway), and rate their pitcher ratings at a prospect level.
Example: I created Adam Loewen at a 51 overall with an A- potential. His fastball and curveball were 71 and 85, respectively, with a 63 rated changeup. In three years, Loewen was rated an 82.
When I did the same test with Loewen's pitches rated below 60, he progress to 61 and that was it.
Pitcher's pitches never progress, but their ratings do.
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#11
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Ah, good to hear. Although, I haven't gotten your email yet. Hotmail is slow.Comment
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#12
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Ah, good to hear. Although, I haven't gotten your email yet. Hotmail is slow.Comment
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Ah, good to hear. Although, I haven't gotten your email yet. Hotmail is slow.Comment
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