lower the pitcher composure to zero

[tril]

I noticed that if you lower the pitcher composure to zero, most of the bone headed errors disappear and both pitch counts for the batter and AI increase.
I also notice more balanced offense for both teams.

Ill post my sliders in the decoding the sliders post tomorrow morning.

[Guffers]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

You could be on to something. I've always kept it at 50 even though most like it around 80. I just couldn't stop the CPU when it when into slugger mode. My only worry would be the CPU wouldn't get enough hits.

I'm trying anything to get the offense in this game to calm down a little bit. At the moment the lowest scoring game I've had in a week is 7-6, with every other one being a massive hit fest.

[tril]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

You could be on to something. I've always kept it at 50 even though most like it around 80. I just couldn't stop the CPU when it when into slugger mode. My only worry would be the CPU wouldn't get enough hits.

I'm trying anything to get the offense in this game to calm down a little bit. At the moment the lowest scoring game I've had in a week is 7-6, with every other one being a massive hit fest.

the cpu does get enough hits and it varies wildly. also it seems that fatigue plays a bigger role, and bad pitches get hammered more. comebacks by the user happen more often.

Ive had games where the AI controlled team had 15 hits, other games where they get 6. I think the pitchers ratings/tendencies play more to form.
and trust me the errors which preceded rallies are gone. Ill misplay a ball once in a while. errors seem more in line with game play situations. Ill occasionally misplay a line drive and thats cause I originally started in the wrong direction not because the AI forced me into misplaying the ball. I still have error set to 0. I still get errors but again, they dont seem to be bone headed errors.

again, the offense and game play seems to be more balanced.

[mkharsh33]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

this makes little sense to me...

the higher the composure INFLUENCE rating, the more likely the pitcher is to get rattled and give up more hits. putting this at zero would seem to have the opposite effect - meaning, the pitcher would always stay calm and composed.

i have both set at 80...i had it at 100, but the pitchers were prone to give up 6 or more hits in a row, so i had to tone it down a bit.

i guess we all have different opinions on this, but i posted my newest slider set today and have had some great games using my latest version.

but i'd be curious to your explanation as to how this impacts the game, because it would appear to me to have the opposite effect of what you'd be looking for.

[Guffers]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

I think that for some people having it set too high leads to unrealistic hits by the CPU and the user when a pitcher gets rattled. It just feels like every batter in the lineup has suddenly had their ratings massively boosted. You can put the ball anywhere and the CPU will still get hits, even miles off the plate. And in my case I just feel like I can't be stopped when I get on a bit of a roll. Which leads to all of my victories being massive blowouts and similar for my losses. I'm just not seeing any of the usual MLB scores of 5-3, 3-1, 4-2 etc. Its always 14-2, 18-7 and last week I won 20-8!!!

So setting it to zero would remove any influence pitcher composure would have on the game. Hopefully resulting in the games being decided by user input and player ratings, not any extra boost given to either the CPU or the user in any given situation.

There have been very similar discussions in the Show forums regarding the implementation of pitcher confidence and a lot of people have been asking for an option to turn it off in that game.

Personally I'm not sure that it should be at zero but I might try a couple of games tonight with it at 30 on both sides and see what I come up with. Its worth a try at least. I mean I enjoy offense just as much as the next guy but blowouts should be the exception not the norm.

[tril]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

this makes little sense to me...

the higher the composure INFLUENCE rating, the more likely the pitcher is to get rattled and give up more hits. putting this at zero would seem to have the opposite effect - meaning, the pitcher would always stay calm and composed.

i have both set at 80...i had it at 100, but the pitchers were prone to give up 6 or more hits in a row, so i had to tone it down a bit.

i guess we all have different opinions on this, but i posted my newest slider set today and have had some great games using my latest version.

but i'd be curious to your explanation as to how this impacts the game, because it would appear to me to have the opposite effect of what you'd be looking for.

not at all.
Guffers explains it well, in the post above.
Teams still rally but they dont get that extra added boost. Pitching out of a jam, pitch location has greater effect.
and again, those bone headed errors are minimized to a great extent.
composure seemed to affect the entire ball club, not just the pitcher.
pitchers can clearly pitch to their strengths or their weaknesses etc.
Ive been running with the composure at 0 for a while now and just like the overall flow.
again, the offense seems more balanced. rallies still happen, etc

I have it 0, but IMO lower is the better way to go. like you said its all about preference.

[therizing02]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

I'd just like to find a set where I can see more extra base hits. The ridiculous amount of singles in this game sickens me.

[mkharsh33]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

if you'll notice my sliders, i have lowered fielding speed more than others. this has GREATLY enhanced extra base hits... hits driven in the alleys are doubles, and i even had two triples in a game the other day on a ball driven to the wall and then took a wild carom in which the outfielder had to react to.

...and thanks for the thoughts on the pitcher composure. i will give this a look!

[therizing02]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

if you'll notice my sliders, i have lowered fielding speed more than others. this has GREATLY enhanced extra base hits... hits driven in the alleys are doubles, and i even had two triples in a game the other day on a ball driven to the wall and then took a wild carom in which the outfielder had to react to.

...and thanks for the thoughts on the pitcher composure. i will give this a look!

MK,

I thought of lowering the fielder speed slider myself. I haven't done it because I thought it would lead to even more singles because infielders and outfielders won't be able to get to as many routinely hit balls. Are you seeing that?

[nld230]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

I've actually tried this, and it does lead to a less extreme version of baseball. With it at the default setting, 75, you would see a dominant pitcher roll to 2 hit complete games, and a rattled pitcher give up 45 hits in one inning (had it happen).

I set mine very low, not quite to zero, but around ten.

ALSO....

I lower hit direction influence to around 10. You still influence the direction of your hitting (pulling the ball often results in a ball to left field), but if your timing is off you end up with a weak dribbler. I find this combination very effective at suppressing high hit total games (I was averaging about 7 per game with this through 20 games. That's low, but I'm trying to balance it out with a good number of homers and extra base hits. I think raising my power settings might be the cure.)

Food for thought

[mkharsh33]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

MK,

I thought of lowering the fielder speed slider myself. I haven't done it because I thought it would lead to even more singles because infielders and outfielders won't be able to get to as many routinely hit balls. Are you seeing that?

that's why in my sliders i raised the CPU pitcher effectiveness to 70. it appears to me that everything has to be offset by something else. but i'm seeing a few more doubles (the CPU hit 4 off me the other night). the thing that ticks me off is how DEEP the CPU outfielders play - bloop shots are much too often. but that is a designer flaw that they could do a better job of based upon smarter A.I.

but after reading stuff here, i'm thinking about lowering the pitchers composure, lowering hit influence, but raising the CPU contact a bit to possibly offset the composure...

(this slider stuff irritates me...i'm too much of a perfectionist and now i feel like i need to go back to the drawing board...)

[Guffers]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

I played two games last night with pitcher composure set to 30 on both the CPU and player. It definitely affects the amount of offense. The first game I won 2-1 in 16 innings! The second I won 4-0. Both were very realistic and low scoring. There was only one homer in the two games but I saw a few doubles and a triple. It all felt quite good. I'm going to play maybe a week's worth of games with it at this setting and see if I can get realistic results without completely neutering the offense. I may have to edge it up to 40 or 50 if things stay too defensive. It seems to be tricky finding the balance in this game...feast or famine seems to be a very common theme.

Also for those who are complaining about seeing too many singles: lower the fielder speed to 45 as per MK's sliders. It makes a big difference as they don't cut off every ball in the gap anymore. I average a couple of doubles a game and a triple maybe every other game.

[tril]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

last 10 games w/ pitcher composer at 0: 3-7

Phillies 5 14 0
RedSox 1 8 0 L

Florida 2 4 0
RedSox 8 12 0 W

NYM 6 11 2
RedSox 7 12 0 W

Texas 3 6 0
Boston 2 6 0 L

NYY 11 18 1
RedSox 4 5 3 L

Toronto 4 10 0
RedS0x 6 12 0 W

Tampa 5 15 0
RedSox 1 3 1 L

Detroit 3 6 0
RedSox 2 7 0 L

C.W.S 7 14 0
RedSox 3 8 0 L

Baltimore 2 4 0
RedSox 0 4 1 L

hr: opponent has hit 7, Ive hit 6
strikeouts vary from 3 in one game to 13 in another. This is for both teams.

pitch count averages: AI avgs about 85 I average about 98

these are results using the sliders I posted.

[Phanatic]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

I've noticed that if you set the pitcher composure VERY low like 0-15, you will see alot of computer pitchers going the distance. Since all you do is dink and dunk for a few singles, maybe a double or a triple, and if your lucky a bomb. My suggestion is that if you lower the composure like suggested you alter the pitcher fatigue. Most sliders have it in the 30-40 range, I would suggest closer to 50. I have had more realistic results this way.

Computer Pitcher
7.2 IP, 5 Hits, 2 ER, 5 SO
83 Pitches before being removed

Player Pitcher
7IP, 7 Hits, 1 ER, 9 SO
97 Pitches before being removed

[mkharsh33]

Re: lower the pitcher composure to zero

after experimenting with this, i've raised both CPU and user composure to 100. it was just too easy for me at 0 - no challenge whatsoever. i guess this is influenced by how each person plays, but i just like the challenge of knowing that there are tough outs.