Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

[Dice]

What's surprising is that even if Tony played up till he was 45(like Rose) and averged 157 hits a season he still would have not surpassed the 4000 hit total. But that .338 career batting average is nothing to sneeze at. Rose should be in the Hall and if Gwynn doesn't get in on first ballot everybody on the Hall committee needs to be shot.

Let the debate begin.

[glucklich]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

The .338 is more telling than the career hit total. Granted, that there should be some longevity but Gwynn satisfies that. Its easily Gwynn.

[The C]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Gimmie Gwynn. He had such a killer eye for the ball.

[bkrich83]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

I am biased, but gimme Gwynn.

[SPTO]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

This is tough

Gwynn had a great eye but he got bogged down by some injuries late in his career. If he had remained slim like in his earlier years he might've had more longevity, then again he DID have a very long career.

Pet Rose was a man with unbridled passion for the game. He played hard whether it was a blowout or close game. Considering all that it's amazing the man didn't have any kind of serious injuries.

Then again his off the field stuff puts him down a notch or two.

I'd have to say Rose but only very slightly ahead of Gwynn.

[glucklich]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

This is tough

Gwynn had a great eye but he got bogged down by some injuries late in his career. If he had remained slim like in his earlier years he might've had more longevity, then again he DID have a very long career.

Pet Rose was a man with unbridled passion for the game. He played hard whether it was a blowout or close game. Considering all that it's amazing the man didn't have any kind of serious injuries.

Then again his off the field stuff puts him down a notch or two.

I'd have to say Rose but only very slightly ahead of Gwynn.

The question was who was a better hitter.

[SPTO]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Yes I know that but sometimes hitters give up during blowouts. Sure they don't really want to make an out but they don't always give 100% at the plate.

[glucklich]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Yes I know that but sometimes hitters give up during blowouts. Sure they don't really want to make an out but they don't always give 100% at the plate.

Who's to say Gwynn didnt give 100% at the plate (and i guess that would also include the dinner table)? How do you measure effort at the plate? I mean, I can see what your saying as it applies to playing the field or running the bases but at the plate?

[Jwally]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

What's surprising is that even if Tony played up till he was 45(like Rose) and averged 157 hits a season he still would have not surpassed the 4000 hit total.

That says all of it right there. Rose had more hits, and Gwynn would have never caught up with him, even if he played until he was 45 (which would have never happened, Gwynn was in terrible shape).

Sure, I'm biased, but I would take Rose over Gwynn any day.

[SPTO]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Who's to say Gwynn didnt give 100% at the plate (and i guess that would also include the dinner table)? How do you measure effort at the plate? I mean, I can see what your saying as it applies to playing the field or running the bases but at the plate?

Hmm well you're probably right in that case then. I still put Rose ahead of Gwynn anyways. They were both very similar tho. So I basically decided to put the intangibles into it.

[glucklich]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Hmm well you're probably right in that case then. I still put Rose ahead of Gwynn anyways. They were both very similar tho. So I basically decided to put the intangibles into it.

Aeuweah, whatever man!

[bravosfan]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Career       Gwynn  Rose

AB            9288 14053
HITS          3141  4256
AVG           .338  .303
2B             543   746
HR             135   160
RBI           1138  1314
SB             319   198
BB             790  1566
K              434  1143
OBP           .388  .375
SLG           .459  .409


162 gm avg    Gwynn  Rose

AB             617   639
HITS           209   194
2B              36    34
HR               9     7
RBI             76    60
SB              21     9
BB              52    71
K               29    52

Close. Rose's superior patience almost makes up for Gwynn's edge in batting average. Still, from a pure hitting standpoint, I'd take Gwynn. You can't go wrong with either, though.

[dieselboy]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Got to be Gwynn.

[bryan_05]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Got to be Gwynn.

I voted Rose just on instinct. I didn't know Gwynn stole bases. I 've only seen recent pics..

[bkrich83]

Re: Pete Rose vs Tony Gwynn. Who's the better hitter?

Just to put a few things in perspective

-Gwynn hit .300 or better 19 consecutive seasons (national league record)
-from 1993 to 1997 Gwynn hit .350 or better every year including .394 in 1994. Only 3 other players have ever hit more than .350 more consecutive years (Hornsby, Simmons, Cobb)
- In 10,300+ plate apperances he struck out only 434 times.
- Tied NL record with 8 batting titles. Only player to win 4 batting titles in 2 different decades.
- Hit .351 with runners in scoring position and over his last 6 years hit .390 with RISP.
- He also won 5 Gold Gloves

I could go on and on, what he did is staggering, and imo, is by far the best pure hitter of my generation.