What A Difference A Year Makes...

[dkgojackets]

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At least we have something to pout about, as you guys wouldnt be in the postseason if they tripled the number of teams that got in.

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At least we have something to pout about, as you guys wouldnt be in the postseason if they tripled the number of teams that got in.

Oh my bad, I forgot Giants fans have absolutely nothing to pout about We are what.. 7 games back? Did I mention we were 15 games below .500? We've been plagued with injuries since day one and really haven't had high expectations with the lineup we bring on the field, what's Flordia's excuse if they don't make the postseason? That team should be 20 games over .500 with that kind of talent.

[PdiddyPop]

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Oh my bad, I forgot Giants fans have absolutely nothing to pout about We are what.. 7 games back? Did I mention we were 15 games below .500? We've been plagued with injuries since day one and really haven't had high expectations with the lineup we bring on the field, what's Flordia's excuse if they don't make the postseason? That team should be 20 games over .500 with that kind of talent.

If we were in the NL West we would be. We aren't pouting. We control our own destiny. We own the Phillies, and the Nats are almost done, about the only team left to worry about is the Stros. Giants fans just keep reading bout Bonds's update on his website.

[deeman11747]

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No difference really.

Seattle sucks in 2004.

Seattle sucks in 2005.

I don't understand the huge regression from 2003 to 2004. I didn't see any big roster moves made between the two years so what was the reason fo the enourmous decline?

[dkgojackets]

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Hmm were in a division where every team is over .500. The Giants are in one where every team is under .500. All teams in the NL East have a lot of talent, while you guys play half of your schedule against the rest of that minor league division and still have the third worst record in the NL. Injuries hit every team.

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Hmm were in a division where every team is over .500. The Giants are in one where every team is under .500. All teams in the NL East have a lot of talent, while you guys play half of your schedule against the rest of that minor league division and still have the third worst record in the NL. Injuries hit every team.

I'm sorry, but your argument is weak. The NL-Worst was one of the better divisions last year. Of course we had the likes of Barry Bonds and Eric Gagne up and running. I think it's clear to the world that injuries hit every team. Maybe 1 guy here and there... but if you followed the Giants or ANYONE in the west, you'd know it's far more than a few injuries at a time. Let me break it down of what the Giants ALONE have gone through.

Barry Bonds - DL'd all year
Armando Benitez - DL'd not even a month in
Moises Alou - 2 trips to DL
Jason Schmidt - DL'd in May
Marquis Grissom (currently not on team, 2nd in RBI's 2004) - DL'd twice
Edgardo Alfonzo (led team in AVG at time) - DL'd when he was rumored to be shopped
LaTroy Hawkins - DL'd a few games after being aquired

Combine those injuries with guys who are already banged up, struggling or both then you get where the Giants are right now: 15 games under par.

[dkgojackets]

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Im not sure what the argument is, but I'll keep it going. If every team in the West is getting injured a lot, then it should balance out and the Giants injured team could beat the other injured division teams. Also the DL is one of the biggest risks of a team stacked with veteran players. The Giants gambled that the experience would lead them, but it seems they have a handful of broken down old guys that are on the DL, so that is almost expected.

Meanwhile the Marlins have had Valdez DLd since about a month ago, and at one point over half the bullpen (Alfonseca, Mota, Spooneyberger, Bump, Mecir) was inactive. Delgado has been on the DL. Im sure you can make the same aging argument for most of those guys as well. Also don't forget that with all the early rainouts, this team just finished a 21 games in 20 days stretch, with more to come, and those wear out regulars and force the team to put in a few bench guys, while double headers mess up the rotation.

[BatsareBugs]

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Im not sure what the argument is, but I'll keep it going. If every team in the West is getting injured a lot, then it should balance out and the Giants injured team could beat the other injured division teams. Also the DL is one of the biggest risks of a team stacked with veteran players. The Giants gambled that the experience would lead them, but it seems they have a handful of broken down old guys that are on the DL, so that is almost expected.

Um, no you do not get the argument. If the Giants were healthy they'd have a 10-game lead in the division. If the Dodgers were healthy they'd be right behind the Giants. The D-Backs and the Padres are the healthiest in the division excluding the Rockies and that just shows how pathetic and overrated those two teams are.

Meanwhile the Marlins have had Valdez DLd since about a month ago.

Exxon Valdez isn't worth mentioning if it comes to being DL'd... he pitches like he should be on the DL.

[dkgojackets]

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Well his 14 wins last year would have given him the second moast on the Giants, so it seems like hes not bad. Meanwhile you are complaining about a bunch of old guys getting hurt, even though it was predicted at the beginning of the season that that would be the reason they would not be good, and who knows how good Bonds will be without the juice.

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You are talking about Valdez... Ismael Valdez? Oh my... that's so bad. Al Leiter is way better than him and Leiter was getting torn up in flordia. Give me a break, he's a nobody. His 5-3 4.50ERA with Flordia (9-6 5.53ERA w/ SD) is nothing to bloat about let along compare his DL stint with Barry Bonds. Actually he's not even worth comparing to Alex Sanchez. Once again, wins/losses don't make a pitcher. This year alone I've witnessed Roger Clemens shutout the other team for 7 innings and not pick up a decision. I've also seen Zach Greinke give up 15 hits 2BB 11ER in 4.1IP and not get a loss.

Barry Bonds without the juice? He was tested multiple times and never gone positive. Either way, his presence in the lineup means that much. He's the only guy in the league that makes a manager gameplan to avoid him.

[BatsareBugs]

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Well his 14 wins last year would have given him the second moast on the Giants, so it seems like hes not bad. Meanwhile you are complaining about a bunch of old guys getting hurt, even though it was predicted at the beginning of the season that that would be the reason they would not be good, and who knows how good Bonds will be without the juice.

With that logic then, Brian Lawrence is a good pitcher since he won 15 games last year. And Randy Johnson was a mediocre pitcher with his 12-14 record (give or take a few wins and losses, I don't exactly remember the number).

You still did not get my post. The Giants would no doubt be running away with the NL West division if they have remained healthy... give or take a few injuries here and there.

Oh yeah, and it doesn't matter how good Bonds would be if he was in the lineup. If he was everyone around would be doing better, unless you've forgotten the past couple of years already.