Players expect owners to seek cap

[VanCitySportsGuy]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=131048

I'm not sure a salary cap is needed in baseball but the current luxury tax is a huge joke.

There's no way Bud Selig and Donald Fehr can look any D-Rays, Royals, Brewers, Pirates, etc... fan in the eye and tell them they're on a level playing field.

I'm pretty sure no sports league in the world has a big of a payroll gap between what the Yanks and D-Rays have.

[Vince]

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How anyone can argue against a Cap in Baseball is beyond me.

[meatman]

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How anyone can argue against a Cap in Baseball is beyond me.

Agreed!!

[Stu]

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The players need to learn a lesson from the NHL, understand that it's inevitable and accept it without a major work stoppage.

[GBrushTWood]

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How anyone can argue against a Cap in Baseball is beyond me.

How about this for starters:

Why don't the small market owners put the luxury tax money back into their team payrolls instead of pocketing the dough?

[deeman11747]

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How about this for starters:

Why don't the small market owners put the luxury tax money back into their team payrolls instead of pocketing the dough?

Agreed, with the Yankees payroll, their luxury tax and revenus sharing works out to be about (not sure of the exact amount) $3-5 million per team. I can't stand owners like those of the D-Rays and Pirate who don't use the money they get from revenue sharing and ticket sales back into the team.

I heard somewhere the basically every team makes a profit every year so its not an issue of if money is put into the team, they'll be put in the red. Plus if they want more tickets sold, get people exicted about your team by putting money into it.

[lkreb6135]

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They are putting it back into their teams just in different ways. A lot goes into scouting a development. A lot of teams will start to follow the blueprint of the twins and oakland A's. Teams are also locking up their young talent before they hit the market. IE Cleveland with V. Martinez, CC, Hafner, the Brewers with Sheets, and The Twins with Santana. And let us not forget who won the world series but just a few years ago, the Marlins, with a small payroll. Lastly, the brewers will be a force in a couple years they have lots of talent that they have developed and is just waiting to blossom.

[BatsareBugs]

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There needs to be a cap and a floor.

Someone told me MLB gives each team $60 million (that's from all their shares I believe) and it's up to the owner to add to that amount.

Anyways, the Salary floor should be $50 million and the cap should be $140.

[deeman11747]

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They are putting it back into their teams just in different ways. A lot goes into scouting a development. A lot of teams will start to follow the blueprint of the twins and oakland A's. Teams are also locking up their young talent before they hit the market. IE Cleveland with V. Martinez, CC, Hafner, the Brewers with Sheets, and The Twins with Santana. And let us not forget who won the world series but just a few years ago, the Marlins, with a small payroll. Lastly, the brewers will be a force in a couple years they have lots of talent that they have developed and is just waiting to blossom.

I agree, but what's the point of scouting these players if you're never going to uyse the money to keep them and bring in other players to help them?


Obviously as a Yankee fan, a cap would devastate me, but I don't know how people can complain when the MLB has produced the most variety of champions since 2000 than any other sport, including the ones with a cap.

[lkreb6135]

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I agree, but what's the point of scouting these players if you're never going to uyse the money to keep them and bring in other players to help them?


Obviously as a Yankee fan, a cap would devastate me, but I don't know how people can complain when the MLB has produced the most variety of champions since 2000 than any other sport, including the ones with a cap.

Take a look a the twins more closely. That is what teams in smaller markets are going for. The twins to sign players just the ones that are the important ones. They let go of the ones that they feels that can be replaced. IE Guzman and Koskie. They will let go of Jones next year because they got Kubel. They kept the important ones like Nathan, hunter, and santana. You don't need to sign a flash in the pan like Carl Pavano, or playoff wonder Beltran to win. Free agency and teams like Yankees, LaD, Bo Sox, and Mets over value this talent making no sense to invest in players like this. Its better to build within. Indirectly with the money the big markets are giving them.

[Karlos05]

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How anyone can argue against a Cap in Baseball is beyond me.

Agreed x 2

[deeman11747]

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Take a look a the twins more closely. That is what teams in smaller markets are going for. The twins to sign players just the ones that are the important ones. They let go of the ones that they feels that can be replaced. IE Guzman and Koskie. They will let go of Jones next year because they got Kubel. They kept the important ones like Nathan, hunter, and santana. You don't need to sign a flash in the pan like Carl Pavano, or playoff wonder Beltran to win. Free agency and teams like Yankees, LaD, Bo Sox, and Mets over value this talent making no sense to invest in players like this. Its better to build within. Indirectly with the money the big markets are giving them.

Beleive me... following the Yankees... I know all about overvaluing players and giving bad contracts. If anyone remembers, we won our W.S. with guys built from the minors and guys traded for guys in our minor league system.

I wish every team would go back to this because it makes it easier to root for the TEAM and not just the uniform.

[GBrushTWood]

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There's no way in hell there should be a hard cap without at least a hard floor. This will never happen because the ****head "small market" billionaire owners (David Glass of KC, Carl Pohlad of MIN, Steve Schott of the A's, Vince Naimoli of TB, etc etc) will never agree to the floor, so it's all a moot point.

The other thing is, there's no way in hell the MLBPA will agree to a hard cap. The MLBPA is the most powerful union in North America. They will not make a concession such as this, especially with their latest caving on the steroid issue AND the recent economic success for most teams.

I honestly don't see what's wrong with the current system... The Yankees are paying up the *** every year in luxury taxes. For every dollar they spend on talent, they pay an additional 40 cents during this 2005 season. Given a payroll of $208M, you're looking at a tremendous amount of money being dished out to the other teams.

I think in the next CBA, they should increase the hit for going over the set tax amount for repeat offenders such as NY and Boston.

[lkreb6135]

Re: Players expect owners to seek cap

There's no way in hell there should be a hard cap without at least a hard floor. This will never happen because the ****head "small market" billionaire owners (David Glass of KC, Carl Pohlad of MIN, Steve Schott of the A's, Vince Naimoli of TB, etc etc) will never agree to the floor, so it's all a moot point.

The other thing is, there's no way in hell the MLBPA will agree to a hard cap. The MLBPA is the most powerful union in North America. They will not make a concession such as this, especially with their latest caving on the steroid issue AND the recent economic success for most teams.

I honestly don't see what's wrong with the current system... The Yankees are paying up the *** every year in luxury taxes. For every dollar they spend on talent, they pay an additional 40 cents during this 2005 season. Given a payroll of $208M, you're looking at a tremendous amount of money being dished out to the other teams.

I think in the next CBA, they should increase the hit for going over the set tax amount for repeat offenders such as NY and Boston.

I totally agree with what your saying eventually the Yankees will learn that their big spending is not working as though they thought it would. I like what they are doing now. And the wildcard really solves the problem of teams competing with smaller payrolls because every year now it seems that there are more and more teams in the playoff mix.

[Vince]

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I wish every team would go back to this because it makes it easier to root for the TEAM and not just the uniform.

Then why are you advocating a cap? Everyone knows the Yanks and even the Sawx can get preety much any player they covet. The 5 year period of World Series is nice and all, but It doesn't change the fact that teams like the Royals, Rays and Pirates have zero shot at making the playoffs unless there's a way for teams to not be able to spend a rediculous 185 million dollars on payroll. Seriously, I look at the Yanks payroll and it's an absolute joke. Even if the owners aren't pocketing some money, there's no way they will come close to 200 million, let alone 100 million.

Besides, you don't need a hard cap. The one the NBA has is fine and I'd love to see MLB implement it.