Managers of the year are...

**ehh** · 11-09-2005, 02:11 PM

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Well I don't think anyone can argue with these either.

The writers got the ROY's and this right, too bad they butchered the AL Cy Young.

**Dice** · 11-09-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by ehh

Well I don't think anyone can argue with these either.

The writers got the ROY's and this right, too bad they butchered the AL Cy Young.

Your right about that. I would have gave it to Mariano Rivera. The best closer in my era with the best season of his career.

**Stu** · 11-09-2005, 02:35 PM

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Those two would've gotten my vote.

I also agree Colon shouldn't have won the Cy Young, although I would have given it to Santana. I think the voters ignored all the stats other than wins and the fact that Santana won last year.

**dieselboy** · 11-09-2005, 02:45 PM

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I would of liked to see Ned Yost be in the top three for the NL, but I can't disagree too much with the choices.

**nyyanksfan20** · 11-09-2005, 03:06 PM

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They did a good job on this one.

**Stoud** · 11-09-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Dice

Your right about that. I would have gave it to Mariano Rivera. The best closer in my era with the best season of his career.

The best season of his career? That would indicate that he had absolutely no problems this year, and that would not be true. The same can be said for Santana. He had huge problems in the beginning of the season. Sure, he came around, but not before they made some huge mistakes. I don't recall Colon making many mistakes. I don't understand what the arguments are for Rivera, being that he wasn't lights out for the entire season, it took him a while to get there. I agree you shouldn't be to blame for poor offense, but considering that the Marlins had a flailing Mike Lowell and Castillo kept having problems making contact, I would say that the Marlins offense wasn't much better, and Willis made it work. How did Mariano Rivera have the best season of his career? Am I missing something? he had a paultry 43 saves compared to last years 53 in nearly the exact same ammount of innings pitched. His ERA is supposed to answer for everything? Come on. Wins should count for something if you're a starter. It's not as easy as it looks, and it doesn't depend all on your team's ability to score runs.

I'm still amazed that so many people have a problem with Colon as Cy Young. It's a pretty accurate choice. They could have chosen somebody completely ridiculous, why are you making such a big deal out of this? The only real problem I've ever had with award choices was Bobby Crosby as AL ROY last year...just because he hit 22 homers. HIS AVERAGE WAS .227 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT! IT WAS PATHETIC!! if you're going to give crosby ROY, then Nick Swisher deserves it as well. It was BS. Colon for Cy Young at least makes a little sense. He had about the same kind of record as Santana, but more wins. Makes sense to me.

**Stu** · 11-09-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Stoud

Colon for Cy Young at least makes a little sense. He had about the same kind of record as Santana, but more wins. Makes sense to me.

I think the problem people have is that Wins tell you very little about how a pitcher performed. Colon had 1.32 more runs per game in run support.

Jayson Stark: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...son&id=2217711

**SPTO** · 11-09-2005, 05:06 PM

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Personally I would've given the NL award to Phil Garner but you can't argue with the results. Bobby Cox took the least talented/experienced Braves team of his career since winning all those NL East titles and took them to the playoffs.

**dkgojackets** · 11-09-2005, 05:13 PM

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Got this one right, really wasnt even close

**Dice** · 11-09-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Stoud

The best season of his career? That would indicate that he had absolutely no problems this year, and that would not be true. The same can be said for Santana. He had huge problems in the beginning of the season. Sure, he came around, but not before they made some huge mistakes. I don't recall Colon making many mistakes. I don't understand what the arguments are for Rivera, being that he wasn't lights out for the entire season, it took him a while to get there. I agree you shouldn't be to blame for poor offense, but considering that the Marlins had a flailing Mike Lowell and Castillo kept having problems making contact, I would say that the Marlins offense wasn't much better, and Willis made it work. How did Mariano Rivera have the best season of his career? Am I missing something? he had a paultry 43 saves compared to last years 53 in nearly the exact same ammount of innings pitched. His ERA is supposed to answer for everything? Come on. Wins should count for something if you're a starter. It's not as easy as it looks, and it doesn't depend all on your team's ability to score runs.

I'm still amazed that so many people have a problem with Colon as Cy Young. It's a pretty accurate choice. They could have chosen somebody completely ridiculous, why are you making such a big deal out of this? The only real problem I've ever had with award choices was Bobby Crosby as AL ROY last year...just because he hit 22 homers. HIS AVERAGE WAS .227 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT! IT WAS PATHETIC!! if you're going to give crosby ROY, then Nick Swisher deserves it as well. It was BS. Colon for Cy Young at least makes a little sense. He had about the same kind of record as Santana, but more wins. Makes sense to me.

Now since he's been converted to a closer(97-present) here is the numbers for this season compared to his career:
- 4th most saves in his career(43).
- 3rd most innings pitched since 1997(78.1).
- least blown saves for a season since 1997(4).
- lowest ERA in his career for a season(1.38).
- 2nd most K's for a season since 97(80).
- lowest BA in his career.(.177)

I'm at liberty to say that if this is not his best season then it's in the top 3.

**rsox** · 11-09-2005, 06:49 PM

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Woody Paige may have actually had a good idea when he said maybe it's time for an award that recognizes the best reliever in the game every season, he said call it the Dennis Eckersley award, and of course Skip (moron) Bayless argued with him over it. While there is no real criteria for Cy Young voting lets face it, starters get more votes and more recognition than relievers, after all, the award is named after a starting pitcher.

Back to the topic of this thread: as many have said, you can't argue with the choices. Guillen and Cox actually deserved the awards.

**SPTO** · 11-09-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by rsox

Woody Paige may have actually had a good idea when he said maybe it's time for an award that recognizes the best reliever in the game every season,

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There is, it's called the Rolaids reiief award.

**TheMatrix31** · 11-09-2005, 09:59 PM

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Atta boy, Bobby!

**rsox** · 11-10-2005, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by SportsmanTO

There is, it's called the Rolaids reiief award.

True, but that is not an official award. It's more like when Sporting News names their player of the year, sure it's nice and all, but it's not the same as winning MVP. Maybe they should do for the Rolaids award like they did for Comeback Player of the Year and allow the fans to vote and make it more official.

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