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  • ExtremeGamer
    Extra Life 11/3/18
    • Jul 2002
    • 35299

    #1

    Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

    Not shocking, but I wouldn't have been shocked had Dontrelle won it either.

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  • Dice
    Sitting by the door
    • Jul 2002
    • 6627

    #2
    Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

    Could have went to Willis BUT I have no problem with Carpenter winning it. In fact, it wouldn't have been a shock if Roger Clemens won it. I'd had no problem with that either. I know he only got 13 wins but geesh, if he'd at least had 4 runs/game to play with he would have definitley won 25 games this season.
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    • dieselboy
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      • Dec 2002
      • 18040

      #3
      Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

      You could really go with either guy.

      I think what it came down to with the voters was W-L again, and Carpernter had a far better W-L record.

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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #4
        Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

        I would've given it to Dontrelle but I can't complain about this. It's nice to see a Blue Jay product do good.
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        • VanCitySportsGuy
          NYG_Meth
          • Feb 2003
          • 9351

          #5
          Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

          The voters screwed over Clemens.

          Once again they fell victim to Wins.

          Let's look at the 3 contenders:

          Clemens:
          VORP: 80.6
          FIP: 2.85
          ERA+: 247

          Carpenter:
          VORP: 68.4
          FIP: 2.88
          ERA+: 163

          Willis:
          VORP: 68.1
          FIP: 2.97
          ERA+: 165

          At least the Astros are happy they don't have to pay a bonus because of bonehead writers.

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          • Misfit
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 5766

            #6
            Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

            I would have picked Clemens. He held opponents to a sub .200 BAA and had a 1.01 WHIP while making 32 starts this year. His numbers were far and away better than both Carpenter's and Willis', aside from wins (Carpenter had more strikeouts, as well). I think Carpenter is a better choice than Willis though, as aside from ERA, he bested Willis in almost every other category. Voters like wins though, so it isn't a surprise to see Roger get no love.

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            • mjb2124
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2002
              • 13649

              #7
              Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

              Originally posted by Misfit
              I would have picked Clemens. He held opponents to a sub .200 BAA and had a 1.01 WHIP while making 32 starts this year. His numbers were far and away better than both Carpenter's and Willis', aside from wins (Carpenter had more strikeouts, as well). I think Carpenter is a better choice than Willis though, as aside from ERA, he bested Willis in almost every other category. Voters like wins though, so it isn't a surprise to see Roger get no love.
              I agree. I had it Clemens, Carpenter and then Willis.

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              • sportdan30
                MVP
                • Feb 2003
                • 2010

                #8
                Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

                It's been a long time since a Cardinal's pitcher has won the Cy Young. Well deserved in my opinion.
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                • dieselboy
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                  • Dec 2002
                  • 18040

                  #9
                  Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

                  Only knock I have on Clemens season is that both, Carpenter and Willis, each had seven complete games, and five shutouts, while Clemens had no shutouts and only one complete game.

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                  • dkgojackets
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 13816

                    #10
                    Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

                    I woulda given it to Willis, but it was so close I wasnt surprised at all

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                    • TheLetterZ
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 6752

                      #11
                      Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

                      Another horrible Cy Young choice. I think it should've been Clemens, and it shouldn't have even been close.

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                      • mjb2124
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 13649

                        #12
                        Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

                        Originally posted by ZXLT
                        Another horrible Cy Young choice. I think it should've been Clemens, and it shouldn't have even been close.
                        That W total seemed to trump everything (although that's very much a team stat).

                        Clemens had all the other stats very much in his favor. Carpenter was second and Willis was third. To be honest, Willis was below Carpenter in almost every stat aside from W and ERA. He really was a somewhat distant 3rd IMO to Clemens and Carpenter.

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                        • dkgojackets
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 13816

                          #13
                          Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

                          So you go with Clemens to win because of the lower ERA, yet think Willis should have been third despite a lower ERA and more wins than Carpenter....so is ERA the factor or not?

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                          • glucklich
                            Banned
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 4272

                            #14
                            Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

                            Why did the 'win' become the end all-be all of pitching stats? You have to wonder if it has to do with NY sportswriters back in the day when NY had 3 good teams. In their world it was all about their teams and this was at a time where sports writers showered adulation on the stars and so you have to wonder if the 'win' became the pre-eminent pitching stat for this reason. But its easily one of the worst stats in evaluatiing pitchers. ERA is much better even though thats not foolproof either. But on the other hand people have been getting screwed like this for years when playing on teams with anemic run support, so why should Clemens be any different than, say, Nolan Ryan as this happened to him one year as well?

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                            • mjb2124
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 13649

                              #15
                              Re: Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

                              Originally posted by dkgojackets
                              So you go with Clemens to win because of the lower ERA, yet think Willis should have been third despite a lower ERA and more wins than Carpenter....so is ERA the factor or not?
                              Carpenter had a better WHIP, VORP and ERA+ than Willis. He also had a better hits/IP ratio and better BB/K/IP ratio.

                              Clemens was better than both Carpenter and Willis in almost all of those categories (if not all of them).

                              Neither W or ERA is really indicative IMO. ERA is a decent stat, but I'll take VORP and ERA+ over that anyday.

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