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  • TimmeH
    Cult of Personality
    • Jun 2003
    • 4588

    #1

    Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

    Agent Scott Boras made a copy of Johnny Damon's free-agent statistical binder available. In it are sections titled "Best Leadoff Man in Baseball"; "Most Durable Active Player in the Major Leagues/Deserving of a 7-Plus-Year Contract"; and "Better Than Future Hall of Famer Rickey Henderson."

    The not-so-subtle request for at least a seven-year deal and the not-so-subtle backhanding of Henderson is intriguing enough, but the information in the binder also projects that Damon will record his 3,000th hit by 2012; play more games in center field than anyone in baseball history by 2015; and have the second-highest fielding percentage ever by a center fielder a decade from now, too.
    -- New York Times
    Full Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/22/sp...l/22damon.html

    I'm sure teams are just lining up for Damon's services after reading that binder
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  • SPTO
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    • Feb 2003
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    #2
    Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

    Johnny Damon is not in my top 5 CFs of alltime and he's not a better leadoff hitter then Rickey Henderson. I wonder if sometimes Boras thinks he can get big contracts by making outlandish statements like that.

    The same thing happened with Griffey (I think, it might've been A-Rod sorry for my faulty memory) when he went to Cincy. I believe his agent made all these projections for 10 years into the future and demanded a huge contract.
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    • Stu
      All Star
      • Jun 2004
      • 7924

      #3
      Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

      It's difficult to compare the two since Ricky played for 63 years, but his .401 career OBP (compared to Damon's .353) takes it for me. No doubt Damon is the best leadoff hitter in the game right now, but he isn't worth a 7 year deal. I'd be reluctant to give him 4.
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      • TimmeH
        Cult of Personality
        • Jun 2003
        • 4588

        #4
        Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

        Originally posted by SportsmanTO
        Johnny Damon is not in my top 5 CFs of alltime and he's not a better leadoff hitter then Rickey Henderson. I wonder if sometimes Boras thinks he can get big contracts by making outlandish statements like that.

        The same thing happened with Griffey (I think, it might've been A-Rod sorry for my faulty memory) when he went to Cincy. I believe his agent made all these projections for 10 years into the future and demanded a huge contract.
        Johnny Damon is lucky if he's among the top 40 CF of alltime, and he's definitely no where near Henderson's league.

        I just really wonder if any GMs actually buy into these kind of things. I mean, 10 years from now Damon will be 42, and Boras really thinks he's still going to be playing CF on 42 year old legs? And also in the article, it talks about how Damon is never hurt and compares him to Cal Ripken. I just find it funny, I don't see how any big league GM would be dumb enough to buy into his arguments.

        I think I read Damon/Boras wants a seven-year deal around $90 mill, if any team gives him that, their GM should be fired on the spot.
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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #5
          Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

          Originally posted by MarWinner
          I think I read Damon/Boras wants a seven-year deal around $90 mill, if any team gives him that, their GM should be fired on the spot.
          This brings up a good point. I think most GMs would/should be reluctant to hand out long term deals like that. Let's face it if you have a guy on a long term big money contract like that then it's most likely going to be backloaded. When the player starts slowing down or the team wants a change in philosophy it'd make that contract extremely hard to move.

          Hopefully most GMs have learned the lesson from Griffey, A-Rod (well not really since he's in NY they can afford to throw that cash around) and Delgado. If i'm a GM in the majors the most I would sign a position player is 5 years and 3 years for a starter.
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          • VanCitySportsGuy
            NYG_Meth
            • Feb 2003
            • 9351

            #6
            Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

            Originally posted by camulos
            It's difficult to compare the two since Ricky played for 63 years, but his .401 career OBP (compared to Damon's .353) takes it for me. No doubt Damon is the best leadoff hitter in the game right now, but he isn't worth a 7 year deal. I'd be reluctant to give him 4.
            Damon's not even the best leadoff hitter in the AL East. If you're not taking salary into consideration, I bet you most GM's would take Brian Roberts over Damon.

            I could also argue Jeter and Sizemore are close or even better than Damon too.

            You can tell Boras works hard for his clients. He always has those big binders for his big name clients. I find the hate for him pretty amusing. If I was heading into FA, I would want Boras as my agent. He has a proven track record of landing big deals. There's a reason why he has so many big named clients.

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            • Dice
              Sitting by the door
              • Jul 2002
              • 6627

              #7
              Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

              Damon better than Henderson? OK. And Willie Harris is better than Lou Brock...in the year 2030.

              HEY BOR-***, want to wait for a couple of years before you proclaim him better than the best lead off hitter in the history of baseball? And don't jinx your client into an injury.

              And for his proclamation of him being the most durable player doesn't just mean games played. He played BUT he played hurt. Sometimes you have to draw a fine line between being tough and playing with pain AND playing with an unbearable injury and hurting yourself and your team. And I think towards the end of the season and into the playoffs he did the latter.
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              • TheTruth916
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                • Aug 2002
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                #8
                Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

                Boras has always been a idiot.
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                • Stoud
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                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1259

                  #9
                  Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

                  Originally posted by TheTruth916
                  Boras has always been a idiot.
                  No, he just needs to get that thunderstick out of his...well...you can guess the rest.

                  Boras tries too damn hard. He's like a schoolboy sucking up to his teacher. That's why everyone wants him as their agent, because he advertises his (expletive deleted)-kissing talents like nobody else. While other agents might have standards, Boras will do anything at any time for the right ammount of money. He's more like an ambulance chasing lawyer than a pro sports agent.

                  Damon isn't worthy of a 7 year deal. 4 or 5 year deal at best. Nobody is going to trust Damon for 7 years. On second thought, the Mets have recently shown stupidity in amazing levels, maybe they will bite! Heh....whatever happens, whoever is willing to give him a 7 year contract is a moron. Yolu want to have that guy until he's well over 35? That's a mighty big risk.

                  I hope he doesn't get this kind of a deal, because it would probably be worse for his career overall than better.

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                  • TheTruth916
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                    • Aug 2002
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                    #10
                    Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

                    GMs also need to look at Damon's health the kid gets hurt every year with some sort of injury and will miss a few games, I wouldn't want to give a dude a 7 year contract.
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                    • nkhera1
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                      • Oct 2003
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                      #11
                      Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

                      Boras is just trying to get his client the best deal possible. Sure what he is saying is kind of stupid but if a GM is willing to believe everything in that folder, then he probably doesn't deserve to be a GM.
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                      • jfsolo
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                        • May 2003
                        • 12965

                        #12
                        Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

                        That statement should be a litmus test for all current and future GM's. If you don't laugh hysterically in the agents face when you here it, then you should be banned from working as a GM for all time.
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                        • GBrushTWood
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                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1624

                          #13
                          Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

                          Originally posted by TheTruth916
                          Boras has always been a idiot.
                          Actually, Boras is not an idiot. In fact, I don't you will find one sane human being within baseball who would believe that absurd statement is true.

                          Boras is one of the smartest and most influential people in all of baseball. If I were a ballplayer, I would kill to have Boras as my agent. The man simply knows how to work the front office into negotiating the best possible contract for his client. I've only sparingly heard of Boras screwing his client (Millwood in 03 or some year comes to mind but I honestly think the owners were colluding that off season). I know that I usually hear about how much money Boras's clients are getting. To put this in lamen's terms for the casual baseball fan: Borass is the Jeter of agents. He's got the rings (or the dough, if you will).

                          Keep in mind, whenever a player hits the free agent market, it is the ONLY time the players have any control whatsoever during their contract. For the duration of their entire contracts, and since they've been in the big leagues, they're complete powned by, well, the ownership, and their team. They have no say whatsoever in where they play, so I just can't understand the hatred and despisal for a man representing a player's (maybe) one chance to rake in the dough and possess control. It is their right to do so.

                          Just goes to show you all here, and across the country, about how pro-ownership the fans truly are.

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                          • Nyrican127
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                            • Apr 2003
                            • 572

                            #14
                            Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

                            Johnny Damon is a nice little CF for your team but he is not Ricky Henderson. Ricky Henderson is the greatest lead-off hitter in the history of baseball. I think Ricky right now is faster than Damon. Ricky was the greatest. Ricky is also my favorite player of all time. For Scott Boras to say some crap like that, lets just say he needs to be CORRRRECTED!
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                            • Stoud
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 1259

                              #15
                              Re: Boras: Damon Better Than Henderson

                              Originally posted by Nyrican127
                              Johnny Damon is a nice little CF for your team but he is not Ricky Henderson. Ricky Henderson is the greatest lead-off hitter in the history of baseball. I think Ricky right now is faster than Damon. Ricky was the greatest. Ricky is also my favorite player of all time. For Scott Boras to say some crap like that, lets just say he needs to be CORRRRECTED!
                              I think he's just trying to point out that Damon has been playing in such a tiny park for such a long time, but he really has the ability to steal 40 or 50 bags a year in any other park. When I look at Johnny Damon I see....well, I see Juan Encarnacion, but with more power and a better average. He can do it all, and he often does. He hits 10-15 jacks a year, he can steal 40 bases a year, he can hit .300, yeah he has a poor arm, but defensively he's pretty damn good....yaknow....and I'm not trying to say that Encarnacion can steal 40 bags a year, I'm just comparing him to Encarnacion because they are the same kinds of players, the whole "touch all bases with everything you've got" kind of play...

                              But yeah, Boras is just trying to highlight the fact that Damon's abilities haven't really been accentuated by that playground they got in Boston. I think he does a good job at that. I said in my last comment to the idea that Boras was an idiot, no, he's not an idiot but he sure is an A-hole. Doesn't really matter if you get results, but it's the little stuff like the "deserves a 7 year contract" thing....Ichiro doesn't have a seven year contract, and alot of people would argue that he's better than Damon. They are both about the same age, and Ichiro is better at fielding and he doesn't get injured...well...EVER...he's like a machine, but he's not getting a 7 year contract, although I probably wouldn't mind it on him. Damon definitely deserves a 4 or 5 year contract, and an inflated one at that...not many leadoff hitters like him in the majors right now...but to ask for seven years? Nice try trying to cover all bases and everything, get you the guaranteed money even after you might start to deteriorate...but not many teams are going to fall for it--and are you really sure that you want to play on a team that DOES fall for it? I mean think about it! It's a double bladed edge! If they are stupid enough to sign you for seven years, they probably didn't make many wise choices with the rest of the team!

                              Would a salary cap fix this? I dunno....probably not...it just has to do with players and their agents being more greedy than intelligent in certain areas of their ideas...

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