The Manny Thread

[Stu]

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Latest Manny News:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/12/06/progress_seen_in_ramirez_talks/

One source involved in negotiations with the Red Sox confirmed that there is substance to the rumor that the Sox are working on a three-way deal with the Arizona Diamondbacks and Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in which the Sox would ship Ramírez to the Angels, the Angels would send prospects to the Diamondbacks, and the Sox would receive a package of players that includes power-hitting infielder Troy Glaus.

[Beantown]

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That "package of players" better include someone more than Troy Glaus.

[Vince]

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From the Providence Journal

"But in the last few weeks, Genske has, with the permission of the Red Sox, been calling teams to ascertain their interest in his client. One example: Genske contacted Toronto, a team no one could have forecast Ramirez would agree to play for, and said Ramirez would agree to a deal there."

[Stu]

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From the Providence Journal

"But in the last few weeks, Genske has, with the permission of the Red Sox, been calling teams to ascertain their interest in his client. One example: Genske contacted Toronto, a team no one could have forecast Ramirez would agree to play for, and said Ramirez would agree to a deal there."

I would be pretty upset if the Red Sox traded Manny to Toronto. They'd probably finish ahead of us, especially now that it looks like they're going to lock up Burnett.

[knicks69]

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I would be pretty upset if the Red Sox traded Manny to Toronto. They'd probably finish ahead of us, especially now that it looks like they're going to lock up Burnett.

Here is a fair deal for the Mets for Manny. Lastings, Heilman and Floyd. It gives
the Sox power for this year. They have Lastings for the future and Heilman for now. I think the problem is the Mets want to have the Sox kick in some money.
If I where the Sox I would try to keep him. If not this is a fair trade. I think you could get good production from Floyd. They would then either keep Lastings or move him for someone else. I am a baseball fan first and I think Manny should
stay a Sox. Troy Glauss is good, but I fell my package is beeter unless the D Backs include Steven Drew. Who knows?

[ehh]

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I just can't see Manny becoming Met. I think he'll end up w. LAA.


Though he'd fit in well with the NY media, like Pedro did, I don't think the Sox will trade with the Mets. Though it's foolish to send him to a team in the AL who was already a threat to win the pennant without Manny.

[Stu]

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Here is a fair deal for the Mets for Manny. Lastings, Heilman and Floyd. It gives
the Sox power for this year. They have Lastings for the future and Heilman for now. I think the problem is the Mets want to have the Sox kick in some money.
If I where the Sox I would try to keep him. If not this is a fair trade. I think you could get good production from Floyd. They would then either keep Lastings or move him for someone else. I am a baseball fan first and I think Manny should
stay a Sox. Troy Glauss is good, but I fell my package is beeter unless the D Backs include Steven Drew. Who knows?

Problem with Floyd is the Red Sox don't need another lefthanded power hitter. The Glaus trade, depending on who else it included, would be much more appealing because he can realistically replace Manny. Floyd is a decent hitter but their lineup would be useless against left handed pitching with guys like Ortiz and Trot already in there.

[CWood2]

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Gordon Edes on a Ramirez trade: "I caught Larry Lucchino as he was headed for an off campus appointment and he said that a trade for Manny “is such a big deal, it’s not likely to get done here.” That runs counter to the impression given by the Sox yesterday, but given the complexity of any Ramirez trade, it’s not really surprising."

This impression coming just after the rumors of a three way with Arizona and Anaheim that would land Glaus and others here in Boston. Personally, I feel like all the left-handed hitters available is complicating this whole thing, making it SO hard to keep the lineup balanced and fearsome without Manny. Hopefully this won't affect other trades, as we have a ton of options, including:

The Braves could be interested in Renteria, Loretta for Mirabelli (the latest a straight up deal), Nixon/Clement for Abreu (sounds too good to be true), and Wells could be headed to SF, LA, or Oakland. Wow, I'm dizzy!!

[Misfit]

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I don't think Glaus really replaces Manny. Pitchers aren't afraid to pitch to Glaus, well, the good ones anyways. He's liable to only hit .260 with 150 strikeouts and 35 homeruns. Glaus is one of my least favorite players in the game actually, but he is a better compliment to the lineup than Floyd. If the Sox could get Santana in that deal along with Glaus though, then they should definitly do it.

How about this bit of speculation on the parts of Eric Wilbur and Jay Mariottie:

Are the Cubs desperate enough for a splash that they would do a perennial Triple Crown possibility in Ramirez for a perennial Cy Young possibility in Zambrano (14-6, 3.26 ERA, 223 1/3 innings pitched in 2005)? Red Sox fans, even the ones in denial over at keepmanny.com, should hope that possibility exists. According to Phil Rogers of the Tribune, the Cubs may deal one of their aces only if they can land another starter like free agents Kevin Millwood or AJ Burnett. But Burnett is headed to Toronto for more Ricciardi dollars (five years, $55 million) and Millwood is rumored to be in hot negotiations with the Mariners. And the Cubs probably aren’t going to take Matt Clement, thank you very much.

I think the Sox would do any deal involving a pitcher like Carlos Zambrano in a heartbeat, but I'm not sure the Cubs would. I bet they could get Kerry Wood if they wanted to, but who really wants Kerry Wood?!

[APD0290]

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If Texas is serious about aquiring Manny, the bidding starts with Teixeira. I wouldn't even mind the Sox eating up some salary, and throwing in one of our B prospects (Shoppach or Moss). I know I'm dreaming, but Teixeira would probably be the closest we could get to replacing Manny.

[Beantown]

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Marky-T would be good.

Zambrano or Prior would be good.

Glaus and others...not so good.

[CWood2]

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Today on WEEI, nearly every radio personality came to grips with the inevitable loss of Manny Ramirez. Yet it's not even Wednesday and sources from inside the Angels and Mets are saying that a deal for Manny just isn't going to happen. Interesting...

[3rdAnswer]

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I hope Manny goes to the Mets, no matter what it takes to get him.

[TheTruth916]

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The Globe cited a source involved in negotiations said the Red Sox are working on a three-way deal with the Diamondbacks and Angels. Ramirez would go to the Angels, who would send prospects to the Diamondbacks, and the Red Sox would get a package of players that includes Troy Glaus.

[Stu]

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If Texas is serious about aquiring Manny, the bidding starts with Teixeira. I wouldn't even mind the Sox eating up some salary, and throwing in one of our B prospects (Shoppach or Moss). I know I'm dreaming, but Teixeira would probably be the closest we could get to replacing Manny.

You're definitely dreaming. Fact of the matter is, whatever we get in return for Manny won't be able to replace his production. It's going to take other moves like trading Clement, Renteria, etc to fill out this team. Last year we stopped scoring runs when it mattered because Manny and Ortiz were the only ones who could hit. If we can get Glaus and improve the rest of our lineup so we're stronger top to bottom I will be very happy.