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[Birdsonbat]

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He's nothing but a bench or platoon player. He can't hit LHP. His stats against LHP the past 3 seasons are .159/.317/.280

He has had 89 abs against left handers in that span, way too small a sample size. These were most likely lh relievers that came into games when he started. Look at his stats from 2004 when he was starting in Florida. The he went to LA where Tracy would stick him in pretty much only against rhp and moved him around in the lineup constantly, even when he was hitting the ball well. I've followed him closely since he is on the roster of my deeeeep keeper league. Here is a nice snippet from Rotoworld from last year:
Batting second for the first time since he finished up hitting seven homers in four games on June 14, Hee Seop Choi tonight went 3-for-3 with a triple, a double, a sac fly, and a HBP.
He scored three runs. Cesar Izturis has scored 15 runs in his last 54 games while batting leadoff. Despite having an 1103 OPS in 31 games as a No. 2 hitter, Choi hadn't hit there in more than two months. When Jim Tracy is let go in the offseason, the Dodgers should inform him that his stubborn refusal to bat Choi where the first baseman was obviously most comfortable and from where he could most help the team is reason No. 1. Unfortunately, Choi will head right back to the bench with the Marlins throwing left-handers the next two days.

[billmatic]

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Choi has a lot of pop...if he can make contact.

pretty much. he may get hot for a few games, but will then proceed to go 2 for his next 20.

[CMH]

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He's nothing but a bench or platoon player. He can't hit LHP. His stats against LHP the past 3 seasons are .159/.317/.280

How are .317 and .280 bad for a lefthanded hitter against lefthanded pitching???

[billmatic]

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How are .317 and .280 bad for a lefthanded hitter against lefthanded pitching???

i assume those numbers are AVG / OBP / SLG, not 3 different batting averages.

[Crown42Royal]

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How are .317 and .280 bad for a lefthanded hitter against lefthanded pitching???

I was wondering the same thing.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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He has had 89 abs against left handers in that span, way too small a sample size. These were most likely lh relievers that came into games when he started. Look at his stats from 2004 when he was starting in Florida. The he went to LA where Tracy would stick him in pretty much only against rhp and moved him around in the lineup constantly, even when he was hitting the ball well. I've followed him closely since he is on the roster of my deeeeep keeper league. Here is a nice snippet from Rotoworld from last year:
Batting second for the first time since he finished up hitting seven homers in four games on June 14, Hee Seop Choi tonight went 3-for-3 with a triple, a double, a sac fly, and a HBP.
He scored three runs. Cesar Izturis has scored 15 runs in his last 54 games while batting leadoff. Despite having an 1103 OPS in 31 games as a No. 2 hitter, Choi hadn't hit there in more than two months. When Jim Tracy is let go in the offseason, the Dodgers should inform him that his stubborn refusal to bat Choi where the first baseman was obviously most comfortable and from where he could most help the team is reason No. 1. Unfortunately, Choi will head right back to the bench with the Marlins throwing left-handers the next two days.

Why do you think he has so few career AB's against LHP? It's because he can't hit LHP. If he could, he wouldn't be a platoon player.

Sure his overall stats in 04 were pretty good, but it sure wasn't pretty when he faced LHP. He put up a line of .167/.268/.278

Every single club passed on Choi when the Dodgers offered him in a trade. More than 20+ clubs didn't even want to claim him on waivers for free.

I use to be a big fan of Choi, just like how I use to be a big fan of Jack Cust and Calvin Pickering. But there comes to a point where you have to admit the player in question is no longer a everyday player (or in Cust and Pickering's case, no longer even a MLB calibre player).

[Havok410]

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Why do you think he has so few career AB's against LHP? It's because he can't hit LHP. If he could, he wouldn't be a platoon player.

Sure his overall stats in 04 were pretty good, but it sure wasn't pretty when he faced LHP. He put up a line of .167/.268/.278

Every single club passed on Choi when the Dodgers offered him in a trade. More than 20+ clubs didn't even want to claim him on waivers for free.

I use to be a big fan of Choi, just like how I use to be a big fan of Jack Cust and Calvin Pickering. But there comes to a point where you have to admit the player in question is no longer a everyday player (or in Cust and Pickering's case, no longer even a MLB calibre player).

Look at his minor league stats....Choi hit lefties well during the whole time there as a teenager. Once you get older, you don't forget how to hit lefties. When he was with the Marlins it was his first year in the majors...history shows that players who hit righties or lefties well in the minors will hit them well in the majors after a few years of adjusting.

And Choi has better tools then Cust and pickering. First, he has a better batting eye and doesnt swing at everything. Second, he can play defense. Third, he moves well for a first basemen.

[Thrasha]

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Wow. That's preety mediocre.

Not really. Maybe from a power standpoint, but aside from Gonzalez, they all get on base pretty well. Choi reminds the RS front office of Papi before his 2003 season for some reason.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Look at his minor league stats....Choi hit lefties well during the whole time there as a teenager. Once you get older, you don't forget how to hit lefties. When he was with the Marlins it was his first year in the majors...history shows that players who hit righties or lefties well in the minors will hit them well in the majors after a few years of adjusting.

And Choi has better tools then Cust and pickering. First, he has a better batting eye and doesnt swing at everything. Second, he can play defense. Third, he moves well for a first basemen.

Name me one player that put up a similar line to Choi with the same amount of AB's that was able to turn it around.

It doesn't matter that he hit nearly .300 vs. LHP in the minors, because he hasn't demonstrated that he can do this at the big league level.

Choi is nothing more than a platoon/bench player until he proves otherwise.

[Birdsonbat]

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Choi is nothing more than a platoon/bench player until he proves otherwise.

He has not been given that opportunity at the major league level. Why is that so hard to understand?

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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He has not been given that opportunity at the major league level. Why is that so hard to understand?

You actually think one day all his MLB managers just decided he shouldn't face LHP?

There's a reason why he rarely faces LHP, it's because he hits poorly against them at the big league level. He has been given almost 100 AB's vs. LHP. I've already pointed out the MLB numbers.