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  • Dice
    Sitting by the door
    • Jul 2002
    • 6627

    #1

    Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

    I remember doing this in the basketball fourm. Thought it would be interesting to do it here. Here are my guys.

    Sure fire first ballot
    Randy Johnson - The most dominate lefty to play. No disrespect to Koufax, Spahn or Carlton.

    Mariano Rivera - The greatest closer of all time. And YES, I saw Dennis Eckerseley play.

    Manny Rameriez - In his 13 years of baseball I believe only Ted Williams can match those numbers.

    Ivan Rodriguez - Look up the definition of a 'complete catcher' in the dictionary and there is a 11x8 photo of Rodriguez.

    Frank Thomas - Call it what you want but no one dominated hitting like Frank Thomas did in the early and middle part of the 90's. He did what Manny Rameriez is doing now with a little less power and more walks.

    Chipper Jones - Great 3rd basemen seems to appear and fall off during his playing days BUT Jones has always been in the top 3 the past 11 years.

    Tom Glavine - Only Clemens and Maddux can garner better career numbers than this guy.

    Perdo Martinez - Many would argue BUT can you name me more than 3 guys playing now who has better numbers their first 13 years in the league?

    John Smotlz - Hall of Famer Dennis Eckersely is the only other pitcher with a 20 win season and 50 save season.

    Roger Clemens - YOU REALLY WANT TO ARGUE WITH ME ON THIS?

    Greg Maddux - DITTO!

    Ken Griffey Jr. - He alomost didn't make this side of the list if he didn't have such a stellar career his first 11 years.

    Barry Bonds - Yes, I know. It really pisses me off that this jerk will be in the hall. BUT I only put him in because he was a sure fire HOF before he took the 'roids. Was one of the best 5-tool players off all time...now he's a tool!

    A few more solid season and they're in
    Alex Rodriguez - Another 5-tool player who is not as big a tool as Bonds because sometimes Rodriguez doesn't know what the hell he's saying or doing off the field.

    Derek Jeter - I'd personally wouldn't vote for him on first ballot BUT because he's been the Yankees coverboy for their championship seasons he'll be remembered for that.

    Bernie Williams - Needs to play elsewhere to solidify his Hall status.

    Mike Mussina - Quietly, having a career that many would envy. Doesn't need to have steallar years but good years.

    Rafeal Palmerio - Technically, it looks like he won't be playing again but unfortunately he'll get in because of the number. BUT just not first ballot.

    Jim Thome - His high strike outs and injury season from last year keeps him from being first ballot right now BUT he still has time to make up for it.

    Vladmir Guerrero - The best free swinger in baseball who rarely strikes out. The ball just jumps off his bat.

    Ichiro Suzuki - If he'd played all his years in the MLB and put up the numbers he's putting up he'd be on the previous list, NO DOUBT.

    Carlos Delgado - He needs to start amping up his performance. He has a clear shot for the Hall but as others step up their game in his era so should he.

    Jeff Bagwell - What will secure his Hall status is if he plays in the American League as a DH. And with the up coming surgery it looks like that won't happen.

    Brian Giles - Amazing enough he's queitly put up some nice numbers BUT at 34 one wonders if he'll play enough seasons to get to the Hall.

    Jeff Kent - One of the best power hitting 2nd baseman. BUT one wonders the validaity of his increased stats during the steroids era.

    Todd Helton - The numbers don't lie BUT playing in Colorado is almost like being on steriods without the controversey. In a sense, he'll make it because it's not his fault.

    Mike Piazza - He's got to play more 1st base to get on the field more. Just two more solid seasons and he's in.

    Either Close and no cigar OR still got a ways to go
    Gary Sheffield - The 'roids killed his chances. Even though he was on pace for the hall before the 'roids.

    David Ortiz - Is on pace BUT he's got a long way. He'll get there if he keeps playing DH.

    Miguel Tejada - More productive seasons on the way and not just a couple.

    Sammy Sosa - Mr.Selfish will merit ballots because of his numbers BUT the 'roids issue will kick in. Not first ballot.

    Javey Lopez - Should have stayed in Atlanta and played catcher. Would have been the 2nd best catcher in his era next to Ivan Rodriguez.

    Paul Konerko - Homer pick.

    Mark Buerhle - OK. This is legit. No homer pick here. 85 wins in 6 seasons. Only Maddux with slightly better numbers his first 6 seasons.

    Eric Chavez - Young 3rd baseman who could explode at anytime. BUT even with the solid numbers he's putting up had have to do a little more to ganer Hall recognition.

    Jamie Moyer - Nice career after 30 but just a little too late for his Hall chances.

    Andrew Jones - From the minute he stepped on the field he looked like a Hall of Fame. BUT looks aren't everything.

    Albert Pujols - 'FAT ALBERT' is looking not only at the Hall but greatest hitter of all time status he keeps this up.

    Criag Biggio - May get in on second ballot BUT his position switching during his career may have hurt his first ballot Hall chances.

    Roy Oswalt - A 'Baby Roger Clemens' in the making.
    I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X
  • dacubys
    Rookie
    • Nov 2004
    • 433

    #2
    Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

    so bonds is in but sosa no...hate to say it but this is a lame thread
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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #3
      Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

      Bernie Williams has no shot at being a HOF.
      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

      "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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      • Dice
        Sitting by the door
        • Jul 2002
        • 6627

        #4
        Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

        Originally posted by dacubys
        so bonds is in but sosa no...hate to say it but this is a lame thread
        Sorry if I couldn't entertain you more
        I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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        • Havok410
          MVP
          • Jul 2004
          • 1441

          #5
          Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

          Steriod allegations have nothing to do with my post...i'm looking at on-field performance only.

          Randy Johnson - Sure Fire 1st ballot

          Mariano Rivera - Sure Fire 1st ballot

          Manny Rameriez - Sure Fire 1st ballot unless a major decline or a major injury comes into effect.

          Ivan Rodriguez - Sure Fire 1st ballot

          Frank Thomas - not a 1st ballot hall of famer because of his terrible defense. Also, he needs 500 homeruns to get in because he's a 1B. Either way he gets in eventually without a doubt.

          Chipper Jones - Sure Fire 1st ballot.....should have better overall numbers then hall of famer George Brett.

          Tom Glavine - Sure Fire 1st ballot

          Perdo Martinez - Sure Fire 1st ballot...no way he doesn't get in. His peak is almost unmatchable by anyone in history.

          John Smotlz - not a sure fire 1st balloter but he should get in rather quickly.

          Roger Clemens - Sure Fire 1st ballot

          Greg Maddux - Sure Fire 1st ballot

          Ken Griffey Jr. - Sure Fire 1st ballot...his seattle years alone get him in.

          Barry Bonds - Sure Fire 1st ballot

          A few more solid season and they're in
          Alex Rodriguez - Sure Fire 1st ballot already....amazing stats already for a SS/3B

          Derek Jeter - needs a few more years but barring a major collapse, there's no way he doesnt get in.

          Bernie Williams - he's a tough one....a few more years would probably lower his average but i think he needs to get to 300 hr's. His great peak should get him in regardless but not on the 1st ballot.

          Mike Mussina - similar to the Jack Morris case except Mussina actually played for a bad team for a few years and still put up good numbers. He needs a few more good years IMO.

          Rafeal Palmerio - Sure Fire 1st ballot....durability was amazing, 3000 hits and 500 homeruns speak for themselves.

          Jim Thome - needs 500 homeruns

          Vladmir Guerrero - Sure Fire 1st ballot already....like pedro peak is/was amazing

          Ichiro Suzuki - not yet

          Carlos Delgado - not yet

          Jeff Bagwell - Sure Fire 1st ballot.....450 homeruns, 200 steals, great defense, 1500 runs, 2300 hits, .408 OBP...all this for a 1B.

          Brian Giles - not yet

          Jeff Kent - Sure Fire 1st ballot after he gets to 350 Homeruns...one of the best hitting 2B of all time.

          Todd Helton - needs a few more years but he's already a 2nd or 3rd ballot HOF.

          Mike Piazza - Sure Fire 1st ballot...best hitting catcher of all time.

          Gary Sheffield - Sure Fire 1st ballot

          David Ortiz - still has a long way to go.

          Miguel Tejada - a few more years but he's close.

          Sammy Sosa - Sure Fire 1st ballot HOF

          Javey Lopez - few more years

          Paul Konerko - still has a long way to go

          Mark Buerhle - not even close....durability is great but lets see if he keeps that up and at the same time continues pitching like last year.

          Eric Chavez - not yet...too inconsistent. Scott Rolen is ahead of him at this point.

          Jamie Moyer - nope....no chance but the career he's had with his average stuff is still amazing.

          Andrew Jones - a few more years....great defense and 300 homeruns would make a good case though.

          Albert Pujols - almost there...

          Criag Biggio - Sure Fire 1st ballot.....one of the best all around 2B of all time.

          Roy Oswalt - not yet

          Other guys you can make a case for:

          Andy Pettite - needs a few more years of playing like he did last year

          Scott Rolen - Needs a few more years

          Reggie Sanders - Only because Jamie Moyer was on your list...no chance but still had a good career.

          Derrick Lee - needs a few more years like last year but defense is impressive

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          • SPTO
            binging
            • Feb 2003
            • 68046

            #6
            Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

            A lot of players i'd mentioned have already been taken. BTW I don't think Carlos Delgado is really HOF bound. He's had some great seasons and all but I don't associate him with HOF. I mean the guy hasn't even won an MVP award yet. (tho he was robbed one year think it was '02 or '03)
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            • Skerik
              Living in this tube
              • Mar 2004
              • 5215

              #7
              Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

              Delgado, Giles, Kent and Helton are all very questionable in my book. Delgado's probably the closest and Helton's Coors-inflated numbers are hard to look past, but I'd be hesitant to put any of them in on their current pace.

              And I think there's now enough of a groundswell against Bonds by people who actually have ballots that he doesn't get in as a first-ballot guy. The people holding the votes are finally just sick of his crap.
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              • Hootiefish
                Pro
                • Aug 2002
                • 933

                #8
                Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

                Originally posted by ehh
                Bernie Williams has no shot at being a HOF.
                Two words for you: Phil Rizzuto

                If you are/have been a Yankee, you always have a chance to get in the Hall. Hell, I am amazed that the Senior Committee hasn't found a way to get Bucky Dent in the Hall.
                Overall satisfaction also makes the decline!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                • NYJets
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 18637

                  #9
                  Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

                  Bernie Williams is one of, if not my favorite player, but he has no chance at getting in. He had a lot of really good years, but he doesn't have the elite numbers to get in.
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                  • Thrasha
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 3374

                    #10
                    Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

                    That list seems a bit inflated. Alot of those guys I don't expect to keep up at the pace they've been playing. Papi included.
                    “Nobody in the history of the game tried what I just tried. We’re talking about on the biggest stage, in New York, playing out of position and asked to hit fourth for the New York Yankees. I mean, that’s never been done.” - Sheffield on Sheffield

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                    • elTodd
                      Little Big Puig
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 1333

                      #11
                      Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

                      Originally posted by Dice
                      I remember doing this in the basketball fourm. Thought it would be interesting to do it here. Here are my guys.

                      Sure fire first ballot
                      Randy Johnson - The most dominate lefty to play. No disrespect to Koufax, Spahn or Carlton.

                      Mariano Rivera - The greatest closer of all time. And YES, I saw Dennis Eckerseley play.

                      Manny Rameriez - In his 13 years of baseball I believe only Ted Williams can match those numbers.

                      Ivan Rodriguez - Look up the definition of a 'complete catcher' in the dictionary and there is a 11x8 photo of Rodriguez.

                      Frank Thomas - Call it what you want but no one dominated hitting like Frank Thomas did in the early and middle part of the 90's. He did what Manny Rameriez is doing now with a little less power and more walks.

                      Chipper Jones - Great 3rd basemen seems to appear and fall off during his playing days BUT Jones has always been in the top 3 the past 11 years.

                      Tom Glavine - Only Clemens and Maddux can garner better career numbers than this guy.

                      Perdo Martinez - Many would argue BUT can you name me more than 3 guys playing now who has better numbers their first 13 years in the league?

                      John Smotlz - Hall of Famer Dennis Eckersely is the only other pitcher with a 20 win season and 50 save season.

                      Roger Clemens - YOU REALLY WANT TO ARGUE WITH ME ON THIS?

                      Greg Maddux - DITTO!

                      Ken Griffey Jr. - He alomost didn't make this side of the list if he didn't have such a stellar career his first 11 years.

                      Barry Bonds - Yes, I know. It really pisses me off that this jerk will be in the hall. BUT I only put him in because he was a sure fire HOF before he took the 'roids. Was one of the best 5-tool players off all time...now he's a tool!

                      A few more solid season and they're in
                      Alex Rodriguez - Another 5-tool player who is not as big a tool as Bonds because sometimes Rodriguez doesn't know what the hell he's saying or doing off the field.

                      Derek Jeter - I'd personally wouldn't vote for him on first ballot BUT because he's been the Yankees coverboy for their championship seasons he'll be remembered for that.

                      Bernie Williams - Needs to play elsewhere to solidify his Hall status.

                      Mike Mussina - Quietly, having a career that many would envy. Doesn't need to have steallar years but good years.

                      Rafeal Palmerio - Technically, it looks like he won't be playing again but unfortunately he'll get in because of the number. BUT just not first ballot.

                      Jim Thome - His high strike outs and injury season from last year keeps him from being first ballot right now BUT he still has time to make up for it.

                      Vladmir Guerrero - The best free swinger in baseball who rarely strikes out. The ball just jumps off his bat.

                      Ichiro Suzuki - If he'd played all his years in the MLB and put up the numbers he's putting up he'd be on the previous list, NO DOUBT.

                      Carlos Delgado - He needs to start amping up his performance. He has a clear shot for the Hall but as others step up their game in his era so should he.

                      Jeff Bagwell - What will secure his Hall status is if he plays in the American League as a DH. And with the up coming surgery it looks like that won't happen.

                      Brian Giles - Amazing enough he's queitly put up some nice numbers BUT at 34 one wonders if he'll play enough seasons to get to the Hall.

                      Jeff Kent - One of the best power hitting 2nd baseman. BUT one wonders the validaity of his increased stats during the steroids era.

                      Todd Helton - The numbers don't lie BUT playing in Colorado is almost like being on steriods without the controversey. In a sense, he'll make it because it's not his fault.

                      Mike Piazza - He's got to play more 1st base to get on the field more. Just two more solid seasons and he's in.

                      Either Close and no cigar OR still got a ways to go
                      Gary Sheffield - The 'roids killed his chances. Even though he was on pace for the hall before the 'roids.

                      David Ortiz - Is on pace BUT he's got a long way. He'll get there if he keeps playing DH.

                      Miguel Tejada - More productive seasons on the way and not just a couple.

                      Sammy Sosa - Mr.Selfish will merit ballots because of his numbers BUT the 'roids issue will kick in. Not first ballot.

                      Javey Lopez - Should have stayed in Atlanta and played catcher. Would have been the 2nd best catcher in his era next to Ivan Rodriguez.

                      Paul Konerko - Homer pick.

                      Mark Buerhle - OK. This is legit. No homer pick here. 85 wins in 6 seasons. Only Maddux with slightly better numbers his first 6 seasons.

                      Eric Chavez - Young 3rd baseman who could explode at anytime. BUT even with the solid numbers he's putting up had have to do a little more to ganer Hall recognition.

                      Jamie Moyer - Nice career after 30 but just a little too late for his Hall chances.

                      Andrew Jones - From the minute he stepped on the field he looked like a Hall of Fame. BUT looks aren't everything.

                      Albert Pujols - 'FAT ALBERT' is looking not only at the Hall but greatest hitter of all time status he keeps this up.

                      Criag Biggio - May get in on second ballot BUT his position switching during his career may have hurt his first ballot Hall chances.

                      Roy Oswalt - A 'Baby Roger Clemens' in the making.

                      I don't know how Albert is not a "sure fire", first ballot Hall-of-Famer. He has had arguably the greatest first 5 seasons of any player "ever". The guy is a monster and almost hits more homeruns that strikesout.

                      Albert Pujols is scary good, and in my opinion the greatest all around player ever.

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                      • Thrasha
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 3374

                        #12
                        Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

                        Originally posted by Num1Bowler
                        I don't know how Albert is not a "sure fire", first ballot Hall-of-Famer. He has had arguably the greatest first 5 seasons of any player "ever". The guy is a monster and almost hits more homeruns that strikesout.

                        Albert Pujols is scary good, and in my opinion the greatest all around player ever.

                        Yep.

                        He was definitely short-changed, basically just a freak of nature. A once in a 30-40 year type of player.
                        “Nobody in the history of the game tried what I just tried. We’re talking about on the biggest stage, in New York, playing out of position and asked to hit fourth for the New York Yankees. I mean, that’s never been done.” - Sheffield on Sheffield

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                        • Dice
                          Sitting by the door
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6627

                          #13
                          Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

                          Originally posted by Num1Bowler
                          I don't know how Albert is not a "sure fire", first ballot Hall-of-Famer. He has had arguably the greatest first 5 seasons of any player "ever". The guy is a monster and almost hits more homeruns that strikesout.

                          Albert Pujols is scary good, and in my opinion the greatest all around player ever.
                          Albert if he retired right now he would not be a Hall of Famer because 5 years is not enough. Now at the pace he's going he'll definately be Hall worthy if he produces 5 more years.

                          As far as Bernie, a lot of people have the misconception of players on the 'A few more solid season and they're in' or 'Either Close and no cigar OR still got a ways to go' list. These are POTENIAL...I repeat POTENIAL HOF. Bernie still has some ways to go but he can't be a Yankee to do it. HOF right now? Nope. But he has a shot at it.
                          I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                          • BatsareBugs
                            LVP
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 12553

                            #14
                            Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

                            How the hell can you have a HOF discussion without including Trevor Hoffman in the mix? 436 career saves is nothing to sneeze at. If Mariano is a sure-fire HOF'er then Hoffman should at least have been on the few more solid seasons list.

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                            • rsox
                              All Star
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6309

                              #15
                              Re: Which player right now would make the HOF if he retired NOW

                              Craig Biggio.

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