Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

[cjonesfan921]

I would've just posted this as a reply to the him being called up thread, but seriously what are the Angels thinking? He has pitched amazingly ever since being called up.

Weaver 4-0 1.37ERA 22Ks 4BBs(unbelieveable) 0.76WHIP 26 1/3IP

How about moving big Jeff to the Pen and leaving this kid in the rotation. Terrible move.

Angels | Jered Weaver sent to AAA
Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:01 -0700

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim SP Jered Weaver has been optioned to Triple-A Salt Lake, according to the Associated Press.

EDIT: By the way, this move is to make room for Colon. Just incase you were wondering why.

[Psyblast]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

What a laughable move...

[Beantown]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Yeah, that's a horrible move. He's been very good in his four starts...but apparently they must want him to get more work than be pushed to the bullpen?

Agree though...Jeff should've been thrown in the bullpen for sucking so much, and Jered should've stayed up.

[BunnyHardaway]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Wow...that has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. My fantasy team is screwed.

[Misfit]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Some managers/GM's lack the testicular fortitude to sit a star player in favor of a young one. The Angels aren't playing too well right now, they need all of the help they can get if they want to get back into the AL West race and they're not helping themselves out with this move.

[Psyblast]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Some managers/GM's lack the testicular fortitude to sit a star player in favor of a young one. The Angels aren't playing too well right now, they need all of the help they can get if they want to get back into the AL West race and they're not helping themselves out with this move.

But that's just it...we're not talking about a star player here...we're talking about Jeff Weaver. The Angels picked the wrong Weaver to keep in the rotation.

[BigRed]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

But that's just it...we're not talking about a star player here...we're talking about Jeff Weaver. The Angels picked the wrong Weaver to keep in the rotation.

I don't know the entire situation, but in order to activate Colon, the Angels have to create a spot within the 25 man roster for him. Simply putting Jeff in the bullpen does not help that situation.

And you can't send Jeff down to AAA, since he's not eligible (options-wise), unless he were to be put on waivers first. In this case, it's possible the Angels could lose him for nothing.

Anyway, look for the Angels to make a trade here pretty soon to open a spot for Jared.

[sportsdude]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Kinda makes you wonder what happened to Jeff's arm. I remember when he was playing for the Tigers, he was electric. I thought he was one of the greatest young pitchers in the game, then he went to the Yankees and hasn't been the same since. It seems mostly mental, but I feel like he can't throw his fastball like he used to. He's just not as overpowering as he once was.

[Psyblast]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Kinda makes you wonder what happened to Jeff's arm. I remember when he was playing for the Tigers, he was electric. I thought he was one of the greatest young pitchers in the game, then he went to the Yankees and hasn't been the same since. It seems mostly mental, but I feel like he can't throw his fastball like he used to. He's just not as overpowering as he once was.

You say that like he was striking out 10 a game and winning 20 games a year for the Tigers...his best year was win-wise was last year with the Dodgers (14-11) and ERA wise was 4.01 with the Dodgers in 2004...he's never been a great pitcher, at best he's been average, and mediocre for the most part.

[jt45]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

What a dumb, dumb move.

[TheTruth916]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Are you kidding me? The Angels need pitching help and they drop Jered.

[GBrushTWood]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Obviously, you guys know nothing about mitigating risk. This is exactly what I predicted would happen in the other thread: http://forums.operationsports.com/vB...d.php?t=170979

Here's the situation:

You have 6 pitchers for 5 spots. Spots that will not be altered:

John Lackey
Kelvim Escobar
Ervin Santana

Spots in question:

4th spot
5th spot

Pitchers to fill those spots:
Jeff Weaver
Bartolo Colon
Jered Weaver

As long as Bartolo Colon is healthy, he automatically occupies one of those 2 remaining spots. He won the Cy Young last year, he has a huge guaranteed contract, and the team will not let him go. This is a no brainer.

For the 5th spot, you would think that the better pitcher right now would occupy the position. In this case, that would be Jered Weaver. However, selecting Jered Weaver means you must either a) send Jeff to the bullpen b) DFA Jeff Weaver, or c) send somebody else down on the team (not sure how they are with position players). If you DFA Jeff, then you keep the better pitcher now, but you lose depth. Based on reports, Colon still is quite a bit shaky, and is no guaranteed success. If Colon falls apart after you DFA Weaver, then what? You've really pissed on your shoes at that point.

If you select Jeff with the 5th spot, then you can also retain the services of Jered Weaver at any point later in the season, because he still has options remaining to AAA. If Bartolo or anybody else gets hurt, you have a guy ready to step in that is definitely American League caliber.

Sending Jered down to dominate AAA carries less risk than getting rid of Jeff and losing a roster spot. This doesn't seem too quizzical to me, although, it would make more sense if they sent Jeff to the bullpen and optioned or DFA'd somebody else who is sucking. To be honest, it seems to fit the operational style of Bill "stoneface" Stoneman, who by all accounts, is unwilling to do anything to "rock the boat" or make risky maneuvers. He seems to enjoy mitigating risk, so this all makes sense.

[rsox]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Kevin Gregg still has minor league options so the Angels could have sent him down and moved either Jeff Weaver of Kelvim Escobar to the bullpen (before anyone says anything Escobar is 0-5 in his last six starts). The Angels were stupid to sink $8 million into Weaver, the Dodgers and every other team avoided him like the plague all winter, the Angels should have taken that as a sign.

[Psyblast]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Kevin Gregg still has minor league options so the Angels could have sent him down and moved either Jeff Weaver of Kelvim Escobar to the bullpen (before anyone says anything Escobar is 0-5 in his last six starts). The Angels were stupid to sink $8 million into Weaver, the Dodgers and every other team avoided him like the plague all winter, the Angels should have taken that as a sign.

Not to mention Escobar was awesome in the pen last year for the Angels (when he was healthy).

[CMH]

Re: Jered Weaver optioned to Triple-A

Kinda makes you wonder what happened to Jeff's arm. I remember when he was playing for the Tigers, he was electric. I thought he was one of the greatest young pitchers in the game, then he went to the Yankees and hasn't been the same since. It seems mostly mental, but I feel like he can't throw his fastball like he used to. He's just not as overpowering as he once was.

Jeff Weaver played in a park that was a pitcher's dream while with the Tigers. Apparently, he also had a remarkable first half that season before getting traded to the Yankees.

There is very little evidence that New York destroyed Jeff Weaver mentally. Weaver still pitched effectively in the second half of 2002.

In 2003 he struck out less batters per nine innings and also walked more batters per nine innings. His WHIP was a 1.6 (a full 0.4 walks+hits per innings pitched). That's going to lead to trouble.

Jeff Weaver just isn't a very good pitcher. He didn't have great seasons prior to 2002. And even his seasons in Dodger Stadium were maybe average.