Greatest team of the greatest players

[Dice]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

RF - Tony Gwynn. The only modern player to rank in the top 20 in career batting average. Won 8 batting titles

You know, I considered him and should have made note of it BUT his power numbers just didn't cut it for me. He could have hit 30+ homers if he wanted to but for him being considered by most people 'the greatest hitter of all time' he's only had ONE 100+ RBI season. Now in his case this was not his fault because during the majority of his career he was a number 2 hitter in the lineup. I think if he was placed in the power hitters place in the lineup(3,4,5) at least half of the time he would have definately had higher RBI totals and still keep his .330 average.

Larry Walker, who was my choice in RF, didn't nearly have the batting skills as Gwynn but I would venture to say Walker did everything else better than Gwynn. Mind you I might get flamed for that BUT hey, it's my opinion.

A shame that I couldn't find a spot on my all time roster for him. I won't go as far to say he was the 'greatest hitter' because I consider the power numbers(HR,RBI,SLG%) as part of hitting also. BUT I will say that he was the 'smartest hitter' hitter of all time.

[Stu]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

Larry Walker, who was my choice in RF, didn't nearly have the batting skills as Gwynn but I would venture to say Walker did everything else better than Gwynn. Mind you I might get flamed for that BUT hey, it's my opinion.

I can't put Walker on my team because he played a significant part of his career in Colorado, including his most productive years. That's the same reason you don't see any mention of Todd Helton on my list even though he has incredible career numbers so far. (.334/.432/.600)

[Pujols91]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

All Time

C: Johnny Bench
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Robbie Alomar
SS: Cal Ripken Jr
3B: Brooks Robinson
LF: Ted Williams
CF: Willie Mays
RF: Babe Ruth
DH: Hank Aaron

SP: Cy Young
CP: Mariano Rivera


Guys I have been able to watch

C: Pudge Rodriguez
1B: Mark McGwire
2B: Robbie Alomar
SS: Barry Larkin
3B: Scott Rolen
LF: Barry Bonds
CF: Ken Griffey Jr
RF: Sammy Sosa
DH: Edgar Martinez

SP: Roger Clemens
CP: Mariano Rivera

as you can see, looks like the team I have watched is full of cheaters haha.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

C : Johnny Bench
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Eddie Collins
3B: Mike Schmidt
SS: Honus Wagner
LF: Ty Cobb
CF: Willie Mays
RF: Babe Ruth
DH: Barry Bonds

SP: Roger Clemens
CL: Hoyt Wilhelm

[mjb2124]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

C : Johnny Bench
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Eddie Collins
3B: Mike Schmidt
SS: Honus Wagner
LF: Ty Cobb
CF: Willie Mays
RF: Babe Ruth
DH: Barry Bonds

SP: Roger Clemens
CL: Hoyt Wilhelm

As always Z, we think alike. I have a few players that are different, but I'd have no problem substituting the players I have with the one's you listed (2B, LF, DH, P).

[X*Cell]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

Pos - Player (Order)

C - Bench (8)
1b - Gehrig (4)
2b - Robinson (9)
3b - Schmidt (7)
SS - Wagner (6)
LF - Williams (2)
CF - Mays (1)
RF - Ruth (3)
DH - Pujols (5)
PR - Henderson

rotations (in order)

sp - Gibson
sp - Clemens
sp - W Johnson
sp - Seaver
sp - Maddux (glove)

rp - Rivera
rp - Eckeresly
rp - Hoffman

PBP - Mel Allen
Color - Joe Morgan
Color - Harold Reynolds
PA - Bob Shepherd

Stadium - Ebbets Field

[X*Cell]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

You know, I considered him and should have made note of it BUT his power numbers just didn't cut it for me. He could have hit 30+ homers if he wanted to but for him being considered by most people 'the greatest hitter of all time' he's only had ONE 100+ RBI season. Now in his case this was not his fault because during the majority of his career he was a number 2 hitter in the lineup. I think if he was placed in the power hitters place in the lineup(3,4,5) at least half of the time he would have definately had higher RBI totals and still keep his .330 average.

Larry Walker, who was my choice in RF, didn't nearly have the batting skills as Gwynn but I would venture to say Walker did everything else better than Gwynn. Mind you I might get flamed for that BUT hey, it's my opinion.

A shame that I couldn't find a spot on my all time roster for him. I won't go as far to say he was the 'greatest hitter' because I consider the power numbers(HR,RBI,SLG%) as part of hitting also. BUT I will say that he was the 'smartest hitter' hitter of all time.

Career ABP of Both

.636 - Larry Walker
.530 - Tony Gwynn

Larry Walker is our winner.

[Stu]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

Career ABP of Both

.636 - Larry Walker
.530 - Tony Gwynn

Larry Walker is our winner.

Unless you're adjusting for parks, you may want to rethink that.

[Dice]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

Unless you're adjusting for parks, you may want to rethink that.

According to Baseball Reference's website(which to me is one of the best baseball statistical websites out there) they have adjusted stats where they adjusted them to the league average and park factor. Something interesting I saw when comparing the 2 hitters:

Batting Average(with Park Factor and League Average adjustment)
Gwynn - .262
Walker - .283

OPS(with Park Factor and League Average adjustment)
Gwynn - .730
Walker - .799

BUT I still say Gwynn was the smartest hitter I've seen play.

[Stu]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

According to Baseball Reference's website(which to me is one of the best baseball statistical websites out there) they have adjusted stats where they adjusted them to the league average and park factor. Something interesting I saw when comparing the 2 hitters:

Batting Average(with Park Factor and League Average adjustment)
Gwynn - .262
Walker - .283

OPS(with Park Factor and League Average adjustment)
Gwynn - .730
Walker - .799

BUT I still say Gwynn was the smartest hitter I've seen play.

That's incorrect. LgAVG and LgOPS are showing the League's Batting average and OPS, not the players adjusted stats. What it's showing is that batting averages and OPS were lower when Gwynn played, further shifting the balance in his favor.

[Dice]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

That's incorrect. LgAVG and LgOPS are showing the League's Batting average and OPS, not the players adjusted stats. What it's showing is that batting averages and OPS were lower when Gwynn played, further shifting the balance in his favor.

Are you sure? When I checked the stats they don't seem to be the League Batting Average? Eveybody has a different average for one particular year. For example, compare Tony Gwynn's and Derek Bell's lgBA in 1997. Gwynn's was .262 and Bell's was .266.

Maybe I'm missing something?

[Happy29]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

2B: Roberto Alomar - Speed, power, hitting for avergae AND fielding. In my opinion no one, including Ryan Sandberg, has combined all these consistently thoughout his career. Sandberg may have had a little more power and probably on Alomar's level as a fielder BUT he's not the hitter and doesn't have the speed Alomar had.


Are you kidding me Ryne Sandberg check your spelling it's not Ryan had all those and did it better 84 MVP 9 gold gloves 7 silver slugger awards 10 All Star Appearances a career .989 Feilding Percentage 9 years with 20 or more stolen bases with a carrer high of 54, 3 times led the league in runs, led the league in triples in 84, led the league in hr with 40 and total bases 344 in 1990,and he was a respectful player he treated the game with respect and never did anything like spit in an umpires face like Alomar did.

[Stu]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

Are you sure? When I checked the stats they don't seem to be the League Batting Average? Eveybody has a different average for one particular year. For example, compare Tony Gwynn's and Derek Bell's lgBA in 1997. Gwynn's was .262 and Bell's was .266.

Maybe I'm missing something?

Positive. Look at the numbers more closely. The lgBA stays about the same regardless of how the player's fluctuates over their career.

"B<tt>A and lgBA</tt> - Batting average and the league's batting (pitchers removed) average with the same home field."

[Happy29]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

Positive. Look at the numbers more closely. The lgBA stays about the same regardless of how the player's fluctuates over their career.

"B<TT>A and lgBA</TT> - Batting average and the league's batting (pitchers removed) average with the same home field."

Yeah I can see what your saying. I'd still take Sandberg though but it's who we want individualy isnt it.

[Stu]

Re: Greatest team of the greatest players

Yeah I can see what your saying. I'd still take Sandberg though but it's who we want individualy isnt it.

Huh? I wasn't even talking about 2B. I did take Alomar though but only because I was choosing the best players ive seen. Sandberg's best days were behind him by the time I really started following baseball.