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  • elicoleman
    Im The Baby/Gotta Love Me
    • Sep 2002
    • 34655

    #1

    Royals Hit Rock Bottom

    I thought it honestly couldn't get any worse for these guys...

    Until blowing a game where they had a 10 run first inning, leading 10-1.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260823107

    Is there ANYTHING to save this franchise?
    Originally posted by CardsFan27
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  • Brandon13
    All Star
    • Oct 2005
    • 8915

    #2
    Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

    I thought about making this topic a little earlier.

    The Royals have just been so bad for so long and there aren't any signs of them getting better. I think they may suck for eternity.

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #3
      Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

      They have a good guy in the front office. Things are so bad tho that baby steps are what's needed. At least the guy (sorry name escapes me. He worked with schuerholtz in ATL) has a strong scouting background. If the Royals can rebuild their farm system then anything is possible.
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      • Blzer
        Resident film pundit
        • Mar 2004
        • 42520

        #4
        Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

        This may sound sort of strange, but why are things "miraculous" or "unexpected" when one makes a comeback? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if one team scores 10 runs in an inning, is there any objection to another team answering right back with that... even if it takes nine innings to do so?

        Granted, we all (including myself) get into the hype of a comeback, but I don't think we really ever recognize the team that set that mark for the other team to have to reach that mark for the comeback. Likewise, the other team isn't said to have "blown it" when they give up all of those runs, etc.

        This goes for any sport or game. I guess "momentum" takes an intangible effect into how it's so surprising that a team can do every little bit as the other team had to catch up, but I just never understood it.



        That said, while the Royals "blew it"... I don't see how the Indians weren't looked at as a poor team to give up so many runs in the first place.

        Besides, weren't these the Indians that scored like... 11 runs in the first inning one time before? This was expected of them...





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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #5
          Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

          But blzer 8+ runs in one inning is NOT supposed to be common in baseball. If a team gives up that many runs in an inning it's indicative of a horrible pitching staff or at the very least a mediocre staff having an off night.

          It is NEVER expected of a team to score in bunches like that unless you're playing in Coors in the mid 90s.
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          • elicoleman
            Im The Baby/Gotta Love Me
            • Sep 2002
            • 34655

            #6
            Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

            If you put it in context though, especially in baseball....9 runs. That's ALOT of runs to comeback from.

            And I'd say in baseball, more than any sport...when you're down by that many runs, you become deflated as a team. Most of the time, the team in a sense just gives up.

            What Cleveland did tonight was definitely impressive. It takes alot to comeback after being punched in the mouth like that, but I'd say the Royals pitching sucking that badly is the bigger story.
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            • bravosfan
              All Star
              • Jul 2002
              • 5184

              #7
              Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

              Originally posted by SPTO
              They have a good guy in the front office. Things are so bad tho that baby steps are what's needed. At least the guy (sorry name escapes me. He worked with schuerholtz in ATL) has a strong scouting background. If the Royals can rebuild their farm system then anything is possible.
              Dayton Moore.

              He's a good one. Where the Braves are now, I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have him as GM...

              Actually, I'm not really that big a Schuerholz fan to begin with. But that's another story.

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              • remix
                MVP
                • Aug 2004
                • 2718

                #8
                Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

                Atleast they have Mark Teahen... for how long nobody knows =]
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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42520

                  #9
                  Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

                  Originally posted by elicoleman
                  If you put it in context though, especially in baseball....9 runs. That's ALOT of runs to comeback from.
                  Look, I understand everything that you're saying... but isn't, in a way, nine runs a lot to go ahead by in the first place?

                  Again, I understand what you mean, but... I for one happen to think that baseball is much different and grants more comebacks because it is a game that is not based on time, but rather skill of successfully staying on offense for as long as possible. You earn your offensive "drives" in baseball and your amount of runs you can score, and you can keep going until that third out is recorded. In the NBA and NFL, when there are 22 seconds left... that's all you have. No chance to score 13 points in that kind of run in the NBA, or three touchdowns in the NFL with that time.


                  Of course, it's amazing that they came back and won after being down 10 - 1 after the first inning... but, momentum aside, it's just as miraculous that the Royals happened to score that many in that first inning. And, it's just as much of a letdown for the Indians to have given up that many runs in that inning (with that little detail... that they didn't lose).



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                  • elicoleman
                    Im The Baby/Gotta Love Me
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 34655

                    #10
                    Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

                    Originally posted by Blzer
                    Look, I understand everything that you're saying... but isn't, in a way, nine runs a lot to go ahead by in the first place?

                    Again, I understand what you mean, but... I for one happen to think that baseball is much different and grants more comebacks because it is a game that is not based on time, but rather skill of successfully staying on offense for as long as possible. You earn your offensive "drives" in baseball and your amount of runs you can score, and you can keep going until that third out is recorded. In the NBA and NFL, when there are 22 seconds left... that's all you have. No chance to score 13 points in that kind of run in the NBA, or three touchdowns in the NFL with that time.


                    Of course, it's amazing that they came back and won after being down 10 - 1 after the first inning... but, momentum aside, it's just as miraculous that the Royals happened to score that many in that first inning. And, it's just as much of a letdown for the Indians to have given up that many runs in that inning (with that little detail... that they didn't lose).



                    (by the way, I drafted a tight-end named Eli Coleman in ESPN NFL 2K5... I'm playing as we speak, and he just fumbled after making a catch)
                    Definitely, 9 runs is alot. And for the Royals, that's almost unheard of.

                    I see your view, but I think the difference here is...I put alot more emphasis on momentum, which in turn changes our view on the topic.
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                    • rsox
                      All Star
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6309

                      #11
                      Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

                      Keep in mind also that the Royals have nothing that even closely resembles a major league pitching staff so a major comeback like what we saw tonight is not that surprising.

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                      • dieselboy
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 18040

                        #12
                        Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

                        Well, Zach Greinke was supposed to be a pitching savior. And they have recently added Odalis Perez, who has been solid for them in his five starts.

                        As for hitters, Teahan is a star in the making. Ryan Shealy, John Buck, David DeJesus, and Joey Gathright have all shown flashes of being something good at this level.

                        But, this is the same team that did had a bunch of future superstars, a bunch of guys on roids, and never did anything.

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                        • TheLetterZ
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6752

                          #13
                          Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

                          Originally posted by Blzer
                          Look, I understand everything that you're saying... but isn't, in a way, nine runs a lot to go ahead by in the first place?
                          Exactly, that's the point. It's catching lightning in a bottle. It's something that happens maybe once or twice a year for a team. Therefore, if one team goes out and scores 10 runs in the first, what're the odds that the other team will be able to respond?

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                          • SPTO
                            binging
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 68046

                            #14
                            Re: Royals Hit Rock Bottom

                            Originally posted by dieselboy
                            Well, Zach Greinke was supposed to be a pitching savior.
                            I just wanted to bring this up. I remember watching him pitch in his rookie year against the Jays and I thought this kid had "it". What the hell happened to him?! It's like all his talent fell into a blackhole.

                            I guess that's what happens when you pitch in KC.
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