Jeter vs Ortiz?

**SPTO** · 09-12-2006, 12:12 PM

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Wait...did Ortiz just indirectly dissed Manny there?

Personally I think Jeter will win an MVP maybe even this year, not because he's got jaw dropping numbers or anything but as more of a career achievement kind of thing.

I dunno why Ortiz had to bring all that up but hey, he's trying to get his name out there when he and his team have become increasingly less relevent as time goes on.

**Thrasha** · 09-12-2006, 01:11 PM

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I'm sure Ortiz felt robbed last year, and might try and stir things up and parade his case to the "journalists" that vote on the award.

I have a feeling that Jeter will win though, like SPTO, because they think
Jeter deserves an MVP award because he is Derek Jeter.

Michael Wilbon, who I like, pretty much proved this point a few weeks back on PTI when he said "It would just not seem right if Jeter never won the MVP".

Papi is partly right in his comments about the Yankees lineup, although I doubt that'll win him many points among some of the lesser hitters on the Red Sox.

Damon: mvp candidate IMO.

Abreu: Has been pretty damn great since joining the Yankees.

ARod: He's having a bad year............. For A-Rod. He's probably an MVP candidate in the NL, and almost any teams best player excluding the RS, Yanks and Mets.

Giambi: His average is down but he's still walking like he's Bonds, and still magically has his great power. What a cool guy.

Jorge: He's putting up his usual numbers. Nothing special, but still pretty nice for a catcher.

**ehh** · 09-12-2006, 01:46 PM

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I got a kick out of reading this story. Doesn't sound very Ortiz-like, looks like he's getting a little frustrated up there in Beantown.

**billmatic** · 09-12-2006, 04:50 PM

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Well, that was a bitch-made comment, dissing his teammates moreso than Jeter.

**deeman11747** · 09-12-2006, 05:51 PM

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I thought I misread it when I heard about this yesterdayy. I've never heard a player say "Come hit in this lineup and see how you do" and not have his teammates pounce all over him.

Like Jeter said... the team's focus is on a ring...not MVPs. Theyre just a nice addition but its not what you play for.

**Stu** · 09-12-2006, 06:57 PM

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This is simply a case of reporters trying to make a story out of nothing. You guys should know better...

From Gordon Edes:

David Ortiz, needless to say, is unhappy to hear about headlines like the one that appeared in today's NY Post, which read "Ortiz Disses Jeter," or the photo of him that appears in the USA Today with the caption that says he believes he should be MVP.

The reason he's upset is because he said nothing of the sort. I know, because I'm the reporter he talked to after Sunday's game, a conversation that began with me asking Ortiz what he thought his chances were of winning the MVP. He formed a big fat zero with his hand.

He then made the point that he felt the big boppers, the guys who drive in 120 and hit 40 or more, are more deserving of the MVP than a Derek Jeter -- who he stressed was having a great year -- because they do more for their team. He also said that if he hits 50 and knocks in 15-20 more runs than anybody else, he should still be considered a candidate, even if the Sox have fallen out of the race, citing the precedent of A-Rod winning for a last-place Texas team in 2002.

That has been twisted into Ortiz being selfish, Ortiz campaigning for himself, Ortiz putting down Jeter, ridiculous.

And of course, with the Sox headed for NYC this weekend, the circus will only continue.

**Misfit** · 09-12-2006, 07:13 PM

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Much ado about nothing. I agree with Ortiz's pick for MVP at the moment though, which is either Dye or Morneau depending on who makes the playoffs (though Santana could make a bid for it too).

**GBrushTWood** · 09-13-2006, 09:28 AM

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I highly doubt Ortiz never said what was quoted; blaming the reporters is just childish.

Ortiz is clearly frustrated and seems angry about all this losing. I have a hypothesis that he probably cares too much about the outcome of the games, and that may have adversely affected his health. Even after that heart scare (who knows whether or not it was benign), he's still pissed at the direction of the team, and he has every right to be.

His comments re: Jeter and the MVP were probably just off the cuff and out of frustration. I bet he regrets saying that to reporters, but these kinds of things happen when you are sent out to play everyday for essentially no purpose. I imagine there will be no lingering bad blood between Jeter and Ortiz because both of them are too good to have silly feuds.

**billmatic** · 09-13-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by camulos

This is simply a case of reporters trying to make a story out of nothing. You guys should know better...

From Gordon Edes:

worthless.

either he said it or he didn't, and i don't see him claiming he was misquoted.

it was just a ******* comment.

**Stu** · 09-13-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by billmatic

worthless.

either he said it or he didn't, and i don't see him claiming he was misquoted.

it was just a ******* comment.

What exactly did he say? That a slugger should win the MVP over a guy like Jeter? That he's more valuable to the Red Sox lineup than Jeter is to the Yankees lineup? I fail to see how those are ******* comments. I think most people would agree with him. The ESPN article conveniently left out Ortiz saying he would vote for Morneau or Dye. Instead they chose to make it sound like he was saying he should win the MVP and not Jeter. This is a textbook example of the media trying to create a story, rather than report one.

**billmatic** · 09-13-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by camulos

What exactly did he say? That a slugger should win the MVP over a guy like Jeter? I fail to see how that's a ******* comment. I think most people would agree with him. The ESPN article conveniently left out Ortiz saying he would vote for Morneau or Dye. Instead they chose to make it sound like he was saying he should win the MVP and not Jeter. This is a textbook example of the media trying to create a story, rather than report one.

"Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be."

That is a ******* comment.

**Stu** · 09-13-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by billmatic

"Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be."

That is a ******* comment.

Why? It's not like it's any secret that the Yankees have a much stronger lineup than the Red Sox.

I'm failing to see the big issue here.

**billmatic** · 09-13-2006, 03:17 PM

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That's like a Barry Sanders saying to Emmitt Smith, "Try playing behind this offensive line and see how you do".

**Misfit** · 09-13-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by billmatic

That's like a Barry Sanders saying to Emmitt Smith, "Try playing behind this offensive line and see how you do".

Quit your whining and go change your tampon. I agree fully with camulos (and Gordon Edes, who's probably the most respected sports journalist in Boston) that the media just wants to stir up some drama for this weekend's series since its essentially meaningless. Its a given that if Joe Buck does the game on Saturday he'll ramble on about this garbage for 5 innings at least, injecting his snot-nosed opinions into everything while McCarver babbles on like an idiot. Just another reason to be happy that football is back.

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