Seriously, they changed the rules to not give credit for stolen bases by implementing "defensive indifference". Should they change the requirements for getting wins to make it a little easier given the fact that guys dont pitch as many game or as many innings when they do pitch?
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Re: Should MLB redefine the criteria for getting a win?
What exactly do you have in mind?
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Re: Should MLB redefine the criteria for getting a win?
Possibly that or if you have a quality start and your team wins, you get the win. Im truly not sure how I feel though. Part of me says they dont deserve it since they dont pitch nearly as much now but part of me says its lame to see no 20 game winners and guys who pitch .1 innings get credit for a win out of happenstance.Comment
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Re: Should MLB redefine the criteria for getting a win?
I like the 5 innings rule. I mean what's gonna stop a manager from taking out his star pitcher late in the season to rest up for the playoffs when the team is ahead oh say 5/6-0 after the 3rd inning?Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Re: Should MLB redefine the criteria for getting a win?
Agreed, but I think a manager would be more inclined to do that if it means their star pitcher will get his 20th win or something like that.
Teebone as for your question, the bullpen indeed does blow the lead but I think it's fair to give credit to the reliever who keeps the lead if the team comes back in the later innings.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Re: Should MLB redefine the criteria for getting a win?
Wins altogether are a terrible way to measure a pitcher's success anyway.
Randy Johnson would have gone 8-20 this year if he was playing for an average offensive team."You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier
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Re: Should MLB redefine the criteria for getting a win?
W-L record for a pitcher is not a meaningful stat. You can pitch a shutout and not get a win. You can give up 8 runs and get a win. Worthless.Comment
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Actually if you look at the game in its totality and see the starter did most of the heavy lifting (which is a reason I mentioned tying it to quality starts), its fair to give him the win as he actually had as much to do with the outcome as a reliever. Just because he pitches the first 5 or 6 innings doesnt mean he contributed less to the win. If a starter leaves after 6 down 1-0 how does he not earn a part of the eventual outcome? Hes going to get a loss in this scenario...and what if his team scores 6 runs after he leaves. The starter stood to get the loss but not the win. Its kind of silly. The relief pitchers rarely have anything to do with how many runs a team gets.Comment
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Re: Should MLB redefine the criteria for getting a win?
I like the 5 inning rule. If you don't go at least 5 innings as a starter, you haven't done your job and don't deserve the win. MLB had pitchers throwing a lot of innings for 80+ years and they don't need to change for a pansy like fad (low pitch counts) over the last 15 years that has NOT shown an ability to reduce injuries despite fewer innings. They are over protecting these guys and aren't doing enough to prepare them to throw more innings but that's another topic.
As for wins, I like looking at ERA more than wins but they are not worthless. Sure guys playing for the Yankees are going to have more wins but there is something to be said about being a winner. Good pitchers will pitch more aggressively with a lead and give up an extra run or two but still get the win. He will sacrifice his ERA for the win much like a Jack Morris did. Denny McClain criticized Nolan Ryan for that on the radio (couldn't hold leads) while saying Tom Seaver was great at it. There is a difference between pitching with a one run lead and a one run deficit and mental toughness is a big part of getting wins in baseball.Comment
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