Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

[Stoud]

Mariners trade Rafael Soriano to Braves for Horacio Ramirez

If you ask me, this is a pretty decent move by the M's. I would have preferred to get someone with a lower ERA, but to get a Lefty in the rotation as young and talented as Ramirez is is a good thing. Definitely going to be the #4 starter with Washburn at #2 now. The M's actually showing signs of trying to set up a realistic and aligned rotation?? can it be?? is it merely a dream?!?!

This trade is pretty awesome for the Braves, as well -- always on the lookout for a good arm in the BP, the Braves just got one of the best out there IMHO. Young pitcher for Young pitcher...fairly even trade, one being a reliever and the other a starter.

As for the M's, if they just get one more decent starter (preferably someone at the top, a nice Schmidtty or something would be awesome, but I'd take a Mulder or Marquis), I'll take Baek as a #5 starter.

The M's are actually rounding out the team....I am SOO happy about this!!

[Defel]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

Yeah, I don't understand why so many M's fans are upset about this deal. If Ramirez doesn't get injured and pitches in the low 4's in ERA, it was worth giving up a setup guy.

The only doubt I have about the deal is wondering just how far Soriano is removed from his SP days and if that could have been salvaged. Attempting to convert him back would still be far riskier than acquiring Ramirez.

The M's rotation is still really bad though.

[WazzuRC]

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Yeah, I don't understand why so many M's fans are upset about this deal.

I'll tell you why I'm upset. We had the 2nd best ERA in the MLB last year. I'd rather have a great bullpen and average SP's than slightly-to-above average SP's with a decent bullpen. Who is going to setup for Putz? Mateo? Hell no. I'd rather we keep our bullpen in tact instead of shipping an intrical part of our bullpen off for a guy who is incredibly injury prone.

[IlliniM1ke]

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I understand what your saying but you can flip that by saying what good is a good bullpen if your starters aren't good enough to have a lead for them?

[Stoud]

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I'll tell you why I'm upset. We had the 2nd best ERA in the MLB last year. I'd rather have a great bullpen and average SP's than slightly-to-above average SP's with a decent bullpen. Who is going to setup for Putz? Mateo? Hell no. I'd rather we keep our bullpen in tact instead of shipping an intrical part of our bullpen off for a guy who is incredibly injury prone.

having a good bullpen gets you nowhere....the rotation is what wins games for you, not the bullpen. Of course, one of one or the other is not good enough to win a lot of games, but I think giving up Soriano for a starter is doable...considering we still have a lot of depth and talent in our bullpen.

Besides, one could argue they were both injury prone. Average SPs have gotten us nowhere...it's time to try something new. I highly doubt that Soriano was THAT important. Giving up any more of our BP would probably be a bad idea, but we have a large BP and depth in relief, but only the opposite is true for our depth of starters -- do the math, man -- THIS IS A GOOD THING!

How can people be happy about paying Guillen, a guy who performs well against maybe 6 or 7 teams in the majors (out of 30), $5.5 mil to play in the outfield, and then turn around and be pissed off that we actually got what we've been needing for 5 years now -- HELP IN THE ROTATION!!!

I just don't get it....O.o...to me it seems like you've got your priorities backwards...

besides, if we can get a mulder or marquis or someone of equal talents, then we might be able to trade sexson for a good reliever and a first basement who hits for average...which would be awesome, considering that a first basemen hitting for power but NOT average ISN'T WORKING!!

[Tomahawk]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

Glad you like Ramirez and think he will be useful because he was going to be battling for the last spot in the rotation with the Braves. I'm very excited about the Braves getting Rafael Soriano for Ramirez.

[skitch]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

Have fun with him!

[BGarrett7]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

So... Who is it?

[skitch]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

Hahaha, that's what I'm saying.

[Coug00]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

Yeah, I don't understand why so many M's fans are upset about this deal. If Ramirez doesn't get injured and pitches in the low 4's in ERA, it was worth giving up a setup guy.

Have you seen what the demand for setup guys are this offseason?

The M's basically traded for another #4 or 5 pitcher. How is this any good? They already have Washburn, Baek, Woods, and Pinata Piniero (the M's are now likely to offer him arbitration) at what should be the backend of their rotation or long relief. Ridiculous trade...especially when there was the chance of trading Sexson away and picking up LaRoche for Soriano. I think Bavasi panicked.

Check out these stats and tell me the M's didn't get clowned.

Horacio Ramirez, Career (NL):

K%: 11.3%
uBB%: 8.1%
GB%: 49.7%
HR/FB%:* 13.7%

Joel Pineiro, 2006 (AL):

K%: 11.8%
uBB%: 6.9%
GB%: 47.5%
HR/FB%: 13.4%

[Sabercatsfan]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

So... Who is it?

I'm wondering the same thing:y4:

[WazzuRC]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

besides, if we can get a mulder or marquis or someone of equal talents, then we might be able to trade sexson for a good reliever and a first basement who hits for average...which would be awesome, considering that a first basemen hitting for power but NOT average ISN'T WORKING!!

Good luck with that. Keep dreamin.

How many #4's do we need? Pretty much the entire rotation are lower end starters besides Felix, and Felix isn't even a true ace yet. You didn't even answer my question...who is going to setup Putz? Mateo? Sherrill?

[Defel]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

Horacio Ramirez, Career (NL):

K%: 11.3%
uBB%: 8.1%
GB%: 49.7%
HR/FB%:* 13.7%

Joel Pineiro, 2006 (AL):

K%: 11.8%
uBB%: 6.9%
GB%: 47.5%
HR/FB%: 13.4%

Nevermind, you're right. If his numbers are comparable to 2006 Pineiro, he's not worth anything.

[Rainey]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

I'm very happy with this trade as a Braves fan.

However, Ramirez has the talent and ability to be an elite guy. 2005 was a great year for him.

[AI_Franchise]

Re: Mariners finally get themselves a decent Starter!

As a Braves fan, you have to LOVE this trade...