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Re: Vet Committee votes for no one
The Veterans Committee is a dumb idea. Look at the self importance and egomania that most professional athletes carry during and beyond their careers. Unless a friend of theirs is up for election, do you really think these guys are desperate to invite more people into the HOF to cheapen the accomplishments of those who are already in? Hells no.
It's a dumb idea and it gives a bunch of old curmudgeons an opportunity to crap on fellow players whom they don't deem worthy and make themselves feel even more important than they already are. Hell, even the Writers Association is having problems getting everyone to vote because some of them have to prove how important they are to the process by withholding their vote. And we're trusting the athletes themselves to decide who gets in?
Not a great idea. The whole system needs to be revamped and needs to be put in the hands of people who truly care about the game and not about themselves.Helen: Everyone's special, Dash.
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Santo doesnt deserve it. I feel bad for Cubs fans who are going to have to listen to his sob story and downright begging to be inducted into the HOF for yet another year on their radio broadcasts.Comment
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Vets Committee = the most useless humans ever..
Gil should be in the Hall already!Comment
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He's borderline, and to me that isn't good enough. Curt Flood and Tony Oliva both should be in though. Part of me wishes Maris was in simply for his one amazing season, but the rest of me reasons that his whole career was only good and not great. Jim Kaat I wouldn't disagree with getting the nod, but I'm not sure about him neither.
Its a joke that Bert Blylevin still isn't in, he comes close every year but for no good reason falls short. Note: I know Blylevin wasn't part of the Vet committee yet, but he shouldn't have to get to that point neither.Comment
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Maris actually had two great seasons in '60 and '61, winning the MVP both seasons. His overall statistics however, aren't close to Hall Of Fame worthy.Comment
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Maris is baseball's version of Paul Henderson, a guy that did something remarkable that etched in the minds of many but unfortunately whose career is rather pedestrian.
(For those that don't know Henderson scored the winning goal in the '72 summit series)Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Dude, if Brooks Robinson is in, Santo deserves a spot:
Robinson Santo
Seasons: 23 15
AB: 10,654 8143
HR: 268 342
RBI: 1357 1331
SLG: .401 .464
Gold Gloves 16 5
Santo was clearly the better offensive player, given the length of both players careers. Brooks had nearly 2000 more AB's than Santo, yet Santo hit more homers and had nearly as many RBI. The only edge Brooks has on Santo is the Gold Gloves. IMO, they are fairly similiar players, when all of there accompishments are viewed, Brooks being the better Defensive player, Santo the better hitter.
Well, I cant figure out how to get the stats to line up, but you get the idea...Last edited by chippered; 03-01-2007, 08:21 AM.Comment
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Although there are plenty of borderline players in the HOF (Rizzuto is the one name that comes to mind first), Santo was a good player, very consistent... but was never considered excellent at anything. Brooks, although he was definitely not the hitter Santo was, has 2 things going for him... he was a part of 3 straight division champs and 1 ws championship team, and deserved or not, he was considered to be one of the best defensive 3b of all time. There was nothing that Santo did that really stands out.Comment
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Exactly. Santo was a very good player, but not a great one. Robinson had longevity and like you said is considered an all time defensive player. That can't be discounted, otherwise Ozzie Smith wouldn't make it as he was average at best at the plate.Comment
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If Santo deserves it, does Robin Ventura?
The 162 gm averages of the two 3B:
277/362/464 26 doubles, 25 HR, 82 Runs, 96 RBI, 5 Gold Gloves
267/362/444 26 doubles, 23 HR, 78 Runs, 92 RBI, 6 Gold GlovesComment
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What, did they move the fences in as the years went by?
The point is, that both players were good in their prime, but not good enough for immortalization in the Hall.
For the guy that claims Santo was better than Brooks Robinson...did you happen to notice the SIXTEEN Gold Gloves stat?
Its okay Cubs fans, weep not, as soon as old Ronny bites the dust he will get in.Comment
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