I actually was throwing something like that at practice the other day (i coach), and was throwing one helluva screwball, though i didn't come over the top of the ball quite as much as this guy.
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Mike Marshall's pitching technique
ON yahoo. Heard about it before, but this article as an attached vid clip.
I actually was throwing something like that at practice the other day (i coach), and was throwing one helluva screwball, though i didn't come over the top of the ball quite as much as this guy.
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That's pretty cool in slow-mo..looks like it would be difficult to pick up on the ball as well. -
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Funny how this came up. I heard an interview with Marshall on the Chuck Swirsky show. The guy is very passionate about his knowledge and fully believes he could end all arm related pitching injuries.
There's more info on his own site www.drmarshall.com It's strange that no one in MLB will give this guy a shot as a pitching coach. I'd like to see if his confidence would translate to results.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Funny how this came up. I heard an interview with Marshall on the Chuck Swirsky show. The guy is very passionate about his knowledge and fully believes he could end all arm related pitching injuries.
There's more info on his own site www.drmarshall.com It's strange that no one in MLB will give this guy a shot as a pitching coach. I'd like to see if his confidence would translate to results.Comment
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Actually it's all free and in the public domain. Everything on his site is there for the world to see. He also said Zumaya is going to continue to have arm problems if he comes back with the exact same arm motion.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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I know i didn't mean literally, just to use what he is talking about..or as a pitching coach like someone else said.Comment
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Anyways, you seem to have completely missed the point of this. It isn't that these washed-up minor leaguers are going to become stars in the big leagues. It's that existing and up-and-coming major leaguers can become healthier and more effective pitchers if they use Marshall's approach.Comment
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Movement and location, not speed is what makes a good pitcher. I'm sure there are many guys who can throw the ball 90+ in the minors but they have no control and no movement - therefore they get shelled. Plus, 83mph looks a lot faster when you can mix in a changeup or curveballComment
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I will say that going over the top seems the most realistic and reasonable to adding velocity and allowing your arm to move in the most natural motion possible in an unnatural motion.Last edited by CMH; 05-12-2007, 02:25 AM."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
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Very interesting.
I was also wondering about velocity. It's not everything to a pitcher, but added velocity will allow some pitchers to get away with mistakes better. It doesn't look like they're getting a lot of "drop and drive" with the lower half of their body in this method, but who knows?
It's an interesting concept regardless. Anything to help arms healthier will be looked at seriously.Comment
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When i was watching the vids yesterday, what struck me as most significantly different was the relation of the pitching arm to the rest of the body.
The standard motion currently in use, if you really visualise it slowly, seems to pull the arm away from the shoulder at one point or another. The drive towards the plate seems to be geared towards creating a brief moment of "buoyancy" that will allow maximum force to be delivered to the arm.
Marshalll's motion seems to derive a love of its force from the left leg, throught the back and up to the right arm....
I don't know if this makes sense, but the visual seems to make it look like the force is more evenly distributed, with very few moments of "shock" to the joints.
I have read other pieces about Marshall, and he talks about a "double shock" or something to the elbow ligaments because of the standard motion....and this is supposed to be where his differs.
Has anyone paid attention to cricket bowlers? their motion is not totally different from this one.Australian Rules Football...just sayin'Comment
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watch the vid and stop at about 43-44 seconds in....look at the angle from his Rt arm to his Lt leg....almost a straight line....
We would usually expect the angle between rt arm and lt leg to be a little smaller, and the shoulders to be a little more parallel to the gound. Also, the hips here are different; the right hipis almost in front of the arm, rather than slightly behind.
the pitcher still uses torque from his hips, however it is different. The hips do not turn towards 3rd, but instead remain facing more or less towards the plate. The torque still seems to be significant though (perhaps this will lead to abdominal, hip, or even hammy injuries?).
It is hard to express, but it really seems to me that the force on the arm is coming fomr the left hip through to the shoulder, rather than the conventional style which creates that torque more violently by rotating the hips from 3rd to the plate, then plants the left foot and jerks or whips the arm through.
I really think the change is much more subtle than it seems, though i am inclined to believe it is significant enough to matter.
I know my shoulder is a little messed up from high school, mostly because i had crappy coaches that didn't tell me stuff i ahve since learned through commonsense and brief conversations....oh well.Last edited by fugazi; 05-12-2007, 12:09 PM.Australian Rules Football...just sayin'Comment
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That's one guy. Rudy Seanez claims Marshall's approach took his fastball from 94 to 100+ MPH, and some other guy in the article says his fastball went from 81 to 88.
Anyways, you seem to have completely missed the point of this. It isn't that these washed-up minor leaguers are going to become stars in the big leagues. It's that existing and up-and-coming major leaguers can become healthier and more effective pitchers if they use Marshall's approach.
I also understand that motion and location matter more in determining the success of a pitcher. However, when your fastball tops out at 83 MPH, there's only so much junk you can throw up there before Major League hitters catch on. In all honesty, in HIGH SCHOOL, people top out at 83, have good location and movement, and are still shelled.
I'm in no way saying Marshall's methods don't work. Hell, I'm not saying I wouldn't like more people to give it a shot if it will eliminate arm problems. All I was pointing out was that it's humorous to claim him an arm god when all he's done as far as a pitching coach is boast a student who accomplished more before he met Marshall.Comment
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I'm in no way saying Marshall's methods don't work. Hell, I'm not saying I wouldn't like more people to give it a shot if it will eliminate arm problems. All I was pointing out was that it's humorous to claim him an arm god when all he's done as far as a pitching coach is boast a student who accomplished more before he met Marshall.
I heard a radio interview with Marshall a couple of months ago. It certainly is fascinating to a degree and seeing it in video it looks very interesting. It looks like it would be hard on the elbow when throwing a curveball though, as the hand wants to turn over to but spin on the ball but then has to turn the other way to finish pronating. Perhaps that's why there wasn't much horizontal movement on the guy's curveball and more vertical movement.Comment
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