Rule Guru's, have a question.

[WTF]

Alright, Scottd and I are wondering (from the "Little Things" thread in SCEA forum), in this situation, what is the verdict:

Okay, runners on 1B and 3B, 1 out.

Batter hits a dribbler to 2nd. 2nd baseman picks up the ball, and throws it to the SS covering 2nd for 1 out...

The runner crosses home plate.

SS throws the ball to 1st for the 2nd out of the double play, 3rd out of the inning.

Does the runner who crossed home, count as a run since he crossed before the double play was finished?

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Rule Guru's, have a question.

Absolutely. I saw this at the Dodger game I went to on Wednesday night. As long as the run crosses before the last out is made, it counts.

[WTF]

Re: Rule Guru's, have a question.

That's what I was thinking. Thanks for the clarification. Happened in the last game for me. I won

[DrJones]

Re: Rule Guru's, have a question.

Alright, Scottd and I are wondering (from the "Little Things" thread in SCEA forum), in this situation, what is the verdict:

Okay, runners on 1B and 3B, 1 out.

Batter hits a dribbler to 2nd. 2nd baseman picks up the ball, and throws it to the SS covering 2nd for 1 out...

The runner crosses home plate.

SS throws the ball to 1st for the 2nd out of the double play, 3rd out of the inning.

Does the runner who crossed home, count as a run since he crossed before the double play was finished?

The run does NOT count in the situation you describe, because the third out was a force. If the third out is not a force (ie, a runner is tagged), then the run counts if the runner crosses home plate before the third out is recorded.

[DrJones]

Re: Rule Guru's, have a question.

Absolutely. I saw this at the Dodger game I went to on Wednesday night. As long as the run crosses before the last out is made, it counts.

Nope, not on force plays.

[BGarrett7]

Re: Rule Guru's, have a question.

The Good Doc is exactly right.

[WTF]

Re: Rule Guru's, have a question.

I've searched everywhere I could think of, and I can't find the rule that applies to this situation. I'm almost positive that the run counts, as I've seen it before as well...

[Brandon13]

Re: Rule Guru's, have a question.

Nope, doesn't count because as others have said the play at first is a force out.

[WTF]

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Hmmmm... maybe there were no outs in my game then? Who knows. I won... that's all that matters, lol.

[Scottdau]

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Thank you, I felt like I was going crazy! lol Yeah you won, but the AI is some what questionable. lol Any ways glad you are having fun with the game. I am thinking about getting a PS3, but I want to get a HDTV for the bedroom. So I am thinking!!!!

[dkgojackets]

Re: Rule Guru's, have a question.

Absolutely. I saw this at the Dodger game I went to on Wednesday night. As long as the run crosses before the last out is made, it counts.

False.

The run does NOT count in the situation you describe, because the third out was a force. If the third out is not a force (ie, a runner is tagged), then the run counts if the runner crosses home plate before the third out is recorded.

Fact.

[jmw1137]

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There's no way the run scores...it's a force so of course the run doesn't score.

[Scottdau]

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So I guess the show has it wrong, unless there was no outs. But wouldn't the AI throw it home then.

[Brandon13]

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I got this directly from the MLB rulebook:

A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner.
Rule 2.00 (Force Play) Comment: Confusion regarding this play is removed by remembering that frequently the “force” situation is removed during the play. Example: Man on first, one out, ball hit sharply to first baseman who touches the bag and batter-runner is out. The force is removed at that moment and runner advancing to second must be tagged. If there had been a runner on third or second, and either of these runners scored before the tag-out at second, the run counts. Had the first baseman thrown to second and the ball then had been returned to first, the play at second was a force out, making two outs, and the return throw to first ahead of the runner would have made three outs. In that case, no run would score.
Example: Not a force out. One out. Runner on first and third. Batter flies out. Two out. Runner on third tags up and scores. Runner on first tries to retouch before throw from fielder reaches first baseman, but does not get back in time and is out. Three outs. If, in umpire’s judgment, the runner from third touched home before the ball was held at first base, the run counts.

[TheMatrix31]

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Well then, throw some egg on my face! I can't remember the force situation during the game I was at, I just remembered that to be the case. Hmm.