Jorge Posada a HOFer?

[Sandman42]

Came across this article on Baseball Prospectus.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=412

Now I'm a huge Yankee fan, but I never even thought of Posada as a possible HOFer until I saw this. According to this guys rating system Posada is already in the top 20 for catchers all-time and with a few more average-above average seasons he could put himself into the top 10.

Another very interesting thing I saw was at the bottom of the article:

As an aside, here’s one to ponder: over the period of 2000-2006 — admittedly a carefully selected range of years — Posada out-WARPed Derek Jeter, 59.1 to 57.8. Yes, he’s been that valuable to the Yankees.

[chippered]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

Man, I dont know. Baseball Reference compares him to Campy and Fisk, the only HOF'ers on his comparitive lists. The Hall seems to be rough on catchers, but being a Yankee and the fact that he's been on the teams he's been on, it would'nt suprise me. I'd have to see his stats when he's all done though. Interesting to see what happens if he becomes a full time DH, though. That would prolong his career for sure.

[ehh]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

No way.

[CMH]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

It's hard to argue and I'm sure people will say I'm only saying this because he's a Yankee. I don't care.

Posada has always been acknowledged as the best offensive catcher in the American League.

Ivan Rodriguez had his two great years and then fell back to earth. Jason Varitek has always been right there and I believe even had about two years that would be considered much better than Posada. But, Posada has always been very consistent constantly hitting near .280 with 20 homeruns and nearly 100 RBI.

To think that the new bunch like Victor Martinez and Mauer aren't exactly putting up the same power numbers has to make you consider Posada's overall value at his position during this era.

I don't think he'll be a first year HOF. It'll probably take him 3-5 years if he does get in.

[Misfit]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

He's only had 1 or 2 good defensive years so if he is to make it it will be via his offense. If he continues at his current pace this year and follows it up with a couple 20 homer years I think he'll sneak in. He'll be one of those guys who brings up a lot of discussion either way when his time comes.

[NYJets]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

If he retired today I wouldn't put him in, but a few more good years and I think he has a good shot, especially since he is showing no signs of slowing down.

[SPTO]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

Hmm...he's borderline but i'd put him in. I don't know what misfit is talking about regarding his defense. He isn't the greatest defensive catcher yes, but he's been a great signal caller. He's done a tremendous job handling the various Yankee pitchers over the years.

I think he'll be the Yanks' new 1B or DH by next year or the year after which would prolong his career some more and if he's still solid with the bat then he'll most likely get in.

[ehh]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

He's already taking some practice and might see some time at 1B on this WC NL trip they're on. He's played a few games there in his career already, it should be interesting to see how he does.

As for his career, he's only had 100 RBI once but of course he usually hit 7th or lower so it's not too shabby.

Overall, I guess I'd have to see how his career winds down to make a decision. It'd certainly pad his case if he finished over .330 this year. It always helps to have one great, standout offensive season.

However, I don't think HOF'ers should be all about statistics. I've watched all of Posada's career and I never thought of him as a HOF'er. The fact that he's got three rings def helps his case too.

[Psyblast]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

The fact that he's got three rings def helps his case too.

Four rings...

[ehh]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

Common misconception. It was Girardi who was the man in '96 with Leyritz as the back up. Jorge wasn't even on the post season roster in '96 and played only 8 games a September call-up. He didn't come into his own until '98.

[nyisles16]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

hard to say... no way a 1st ballot if he does get in though.. What other catchers are deserving though besides Piazza & Ivan right now?? BUUT, considering that a pitcher with the stats of a Bert Byleven hasn't gotten in yet, who knows..

[Lintyfresh85]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

no... I just can't see it. Jorge is a very good player, but this isn't a place for very good players... it's for Hall of Famers only.

A guy who is a career .270 hitter who averages about 20 homers and 80 rbi's a year is not Hall of Fame in my book. Great player, but no Hall of Famer.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

He's pretty borderline. Before this year, I might have said he had no chance. With the way he's been hitting so far this season, who knows. As of right now, he wouldn't be the worst catcher in the Hall.

[55]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

I'd have to say no on this one, sorry.

[CMH]

Re: Jorge Posada a HOFer?

no... I just can't see it. Jorge is a very good player, but this isn't a place for very good players... it's for Hall of Famers only.

A guy who is a career .270 hitter who averages about 20 homers and 80 rbi's a year is not Hall of Fame in my book. Great player, but no Hall of Famer.

But, you aren't talking about a 1B or OF. You're talking about a catcher.