The Phillies...

[TwelveozPlaya21]

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don't get me wrong i do think thome will struggle the first maybe 2 months being here, but once he gets used to the pitching ect he will do what he does best hit homeruns and gets rbi's he will help the phils to the world series maybe in 2 years

[TwelveozPlaya21]

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don't get me wrong i do think thome will struggle the first maybe 2 months being here, but once he gets used to the pitching ect he will do what he does best hit homeruns and gets rbi's he will help the phils to the world series maybe in 2 years

[Diablo25]

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Not only will he have to face a whole new league, he will have to play 81 games at one of the best pitchers park in the NL.

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The Vet is one of the best HITTER'S parks in the league. It may be ugly but hitters love hitting there.

[Diablo25]

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Not only will he have to face a whole new league, he will have to play 81 games at one of the best pitchers park in the NL.

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The Vet is one of the best HITTER'S parks in the league. It may be ugly but hitters love hitting there.

[DragDashOn]

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Sorry Diablo, you are wrong.

2002 Vet Park factor was a 91. Tied for the lowest in the NL with LA and SF.

-Bobby Abreu= BA 43 pts higher on the road. 4 more HR's on the road
-Marlon Anderson= BA 52 pts higher on the road
-Pat Burrell= BA 26 pts higher on the road
-Travis Lee= BA 79 pts higher on the road
-Jimmy Rollins= BA 28 pts higher on the road. 5 more HR's on the road
-Scott Rolen= BA 18 pts higher on the road.
-Doug Glanville= BA 30 pts higher on the road.

Of the 8 regular starters, 7 had a significantly higher BA on the road. The only player who had a higher home BA was Liebrethal, and that was a whopping 1 pt higher (280-279). That is not a coincidence.

[DragDashOn]

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Sorry Diablo, you are wrong.

2002 Vet Park factor was a 91. Tied for the lowest in the NL with LA and SF.

-Bobby Abreu= BA 43 pts higher on the road. 4 more HR's on the road
-Marlon Anderson= BA 52 pts higher on the road
-Pat Burrell= BA 26 pts higher on the road
-Travis Lee= BA 79 pts higher on the road
-Jimmy Rollins= BA 28 pts higher on the road. 5 more HR's on the road
-Scott Rolen= BA 18 pts higher on the road.
-Doug Glanville= BA 30 pts higher on the road.

Of the 8 regular starters, 7 had a significantly higher BA on the road. The only player who had a higher home BA was Liebrethal, and that was a whopping 1 pt higher (280-279). That is not a coincidence.

[Diablo25]

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Talk to any big leaguer and they will tell you they love hitting there. The fact that the players you mentioned have higher averages on the road means diddily to me. Since the Vet has opened it has always been know as a hitters park. The ball carries well, its artificial turf and the gaps are big. Put the calulator away.

[Diablo25]

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Talk to any big leaguer and they will tell you they love hitting there. The fact that the players you mentioned have higher averages on the road means diddily to me. Since the Vet has opened it has always been know as a hitters park. The ball carries well, its artificial turf and the gaps are big. Put the calulator away.

[Autoproxy]

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Since the Vet has opened it has always been known as a hitters park.

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The Vet was a hitters park when it first opened, but because it opened many years ago a number of parks have been built that have cozier dimensions that helps increase the number of home runs and therefore hitting stats. Old Stadiums are generally bigger, which is why Dodger stadium, Shea stadium and the Vet play as pitchers parks and suppress runs. I guess Atlanta is an anamoly because Turner probably built it so the Braves pitching would still thrive.

btw...the jury is still out on Millwood as a number 1 starter, randy wolf and brandon duckworth...the phillies have questions in pitching, the mets have questions on offense and the braves have questions all over the place....based on that, I say Mets, Phillies then Braves (unless Burrell and Thome combine for 100 homers...which is a scary possibility)

[Autoproxy]

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Since the Vet has opened it has always been known as a hitters park.

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The Vet was a hitters park when it first opened, but because it opened many years ago a number of parks have been built that have cozier dimensions that helps increase the number of home runs and therefore hitting stats. Old Stadiums are generally bigger, which is why Dodger stadium, Shea stadium and the Vet play as pitchers parks and suppress runs. I guess Atlanta is an anamoly because Turner probably built it so the Braves pitching would still thrive.

btw...the jury is still out on Millwood as a number 1 starter, randy wolf and brandon duckworth...the phillies have questions in pitching, the mets have questions on offense and the braves have questions all over the place....based on that, I say Mets, Phillies then Braves (unless Burrell and Thome combine for 100 homers...which is a scary possibility)

[DragDashOn]

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the astrofield has also made it more of a pitcher's park.

[DragDashOn]

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the astrofield has also made it more of a pitcher's park.

[Diablo25]

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The Vet was a hitters park when it first opened, but because it opened many years ago a number of parks have been built that have cozier dimensions that helps increase the number of home runs and therefore hitting stats. Old Stadiums are generally bigger, which is why Dodger stadium, Shea stadium and the Vet play as pitchers parks and suppress runs.

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I politely disagree with you on some of this. I'll agree that its not the hitters park it used to be because of new stadiums like Coors and Minute Maid Park but the Vet was never really a power/HR hitters park. The big gaps and artificial turf are what makes it a hitters park and thats why I still consider it a hitters park. The hitting backround at the Vet has always been praised too. Many hitters claim to see the ball very well there. If you've ever hit at a high level you know how that can play on you mentally. Artificial turf is a nightmare to alot of pitchers because the ball shoots to the wall much more quickly than on grass. Artificial turf is more of an advantage to hitters than pitchers. Good points though.

[Diablo25]

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The Vet was a hitters park when it first opened, but because it opened many years ago a number of parks have been built that have cozier dimensions that helps increase the number of home runs and therefore hitting stats. Old Stadiums are generally bigger, which is why Dodger stadium, Shea stadium and the Vet play as pitchers parks and suppress runs.

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I politely disagree with you on some of this. I'll agree that its not the hitters park it used to be because of new stadiums like Coors and Minute Maid Park but the Vet was never really a power/HR hitters park. The big gaps and artificial turf are what makes it a hitters park and thats why I still consider it a hitters park. The hitting backround at the Vet has always been praised too. Many hitters claim to see the ball very well there. If you've ever hit at a high level you know how that can play on you mentally. Artificial turf is a nightmare to alot of pitchers because the ball shoots to the wall much more quickly than on grass. Artificial turf is more of an advantage to hitters than pitchers. Good points though.