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  • mike01
    Banned
    • Jul 2003
    • 1180

    #1

    Investing in Barry Bonds

    So Barry Bonds is stuck on HR number 754 heading into a six game road trip with the Giants this week. They play in Los Angeles tonight, and that has everyone wondering; will Barry tie or break the record on the road? The reception if he does will likely be mixed. Some cheers for those who realize they witnessed serious history, and those who hate Bonds with a passion and claim he is a cheater. I'm no Bonds fan, but I may stand and clap politely if I was in attendance on the record breaking nights.

    So I started thinking....how much are the next two home run balls going to be worth? Mark McGwire's record breaking 62nd home run went for an astonishing three million dollars. THREE MILLION. Of course, this was at a time when baseball was thriving and the single season home run chase was drawing in millions of fans as Sammy Sosa and McGwire battled it out chasing Roger Maris' 61. Funny how at that time, nobody cared about steroids. Anyway, three million for McGwire's ball. According to auction experts, Bonds' next two balls will likely go for quite a bit less. Maybe one million, max. Likely around $500,000 though. Still not too shabby for some lucky fan, right?

    So what are your odds of catching one of these balls if Barry hits them in LA? Well, if you are sitting in the outfield, they may be better than you think. Looking at the LA Dodger seating chart, by my estimate, there are 250-300 fans in each seating section. Looking again, I count 13 full sections where the home run could legitimately be hit, including left center field and NOT including the top sections in the deep parts of the park. That means that there are really only 3,250 fans who have a good shot at this. There is also a big gap in center field for the hitters background, and thats worth at least another 750 seats. So, we'll round it out to 4,000 to make things easy. A one in 4,000 chance to catch Barry's home run ball if he hits one. OK, so that is less than a .001 chance, but still, not bad for your $30 ticket, right?

    So you and your friends were thinking about buying up a few tickets and taking your chances in game one, eh? Let's take it a step farther....OK, a lot of steps farther.

    People want to witness history, so what would they say to a free ticket to the Dodgers game tonight? If they are baseball fans, they would jump all over it. Even if they aren't fans of the game, they may accept and take a friend or give them away. Free seats for a chance to witness history. Why are these people getting free tickets? Because you are giving them away.

    In fact, you aren't just giving tickets away, you are investing in Barry Bonds. The offer you make to people, is that you will buy their tickets (lets say, $30) for them, if they agree to sign over 90% of the rights to the home run ball if they happen to catch one hit by Barry. Hell, even if they catch it, they still come away with a free ticket to the game and $50,000. And chances are terrible that they will, so they still had a free ticket if they come away empty. So you only give this offer to one person, and your odds are still....terrible. But, what if you gave this offer to 100 people? 250? 500? 1000?????

    If you found 1,000 men (because they will fight for the ball better than women, and there WILL be a fight) willing to accept your offer, and paid for all of their tickets, thats only $30,000. Barry hits a home run ball, and you have a 1/4 chance of catching it now, maybe slightly better considering 1/4 to 1/3 of the outfield will be kids and women. So you have a 30% chance at catching the home run ball if hit. You pay $30,000 to have a shot at $450,000.

    Is this a good deal?

    Well, you need to know the percentages of Barry hitting a home run to figure this out. He'll face right-handers Brad Penny and Brett Tomko, and lefty Mark Hendrickson on Wednesday. He has 2o HR in 249 ABs on the year in 91 games played. All games in LA are at night, so I expect him to play in all three. Going by HRs and games, he has a 22% chance to hit a HR every game he plays. If you factor in things like Dodger Stadium being a pitchers park, Penny being a monster on the mound, Tomko sucking, Barry pressing to get this over with, Barry feeding of the negative crowd, etc....I think it all evens out for the most part, so I'll stick with a 22% chance he hits a homer in each game of the LA series. Still with me?

    How about you make this offer good for two games, the Penny game tonight and the Tomko game on Thursday. Therefore you could possibly hit the jackpot and catch BOTH 755 and 756. Spending a total of 60K to earn a possible 900K or more. Not exactly a good possibility, but a possibility none the less. And if you can't get both, you are still going for a shot to get either one of them by adding the Tomko game.

    Taking this one game at a time though.....

    If Barry has a 22% chance to hit a home run tonight (he has 3 career HR in 25 AB's vs Penny), and if you have a 30% chance of catching that ball if he does....what are the chances you catch a home run ball hit by Bonds tonight? Multiplying the probability that you catch the ball assuming Bonds hits a homer (30%) by the chance that Bonds hits a home run (22%) and you have a....6.5% of catching a Barry Bonds home run ball tonight with your 1000 men in the outfield bleachers.

    So is spending $30,000 tonight worth a 6.5% chance at $450,000? There is quite a bit of math involved, but thanks to Stanford Wong's book, Sharp Sports Betting, he has a table of odds for us to look at and easily figure it out. Whew. Wong's table tells us that with an event that has a 6.5% chance of occurring, you need to be getting odds of AT LEAST +1438, or 14.38:1, to break even. What does laying $30,000 to win $450,000 give you in terms of odds? +1500, or 15:1

    What does this mean?

    Following this plan of buying tickets for 1,000 people in the outfield seats of Dodger Stadium, in the applicable 300's sections, in exchange for 90% of the rights to the home run ball that is caught is a slightly PROFITABLE investment. Meaning, if you did this same investment over and over again, in the long run you would come out with more money that you started with. Skeptical? Sure, this wasn't exactly rocket science, and a bit of it was quite subjective. Thirty dollars also might be a big low of a guess, since this is history we are talking about here, and tickets may well be going for $75. But if you can weasel your way into only giving up $30 per ticket, I think you have yourself a good investment. You may even be able to negotiate the 90% rights up to 95% or even 100%.

    I would get into the math and facts for the series as a whole, but I have a plane to LA I need to catch.
  • The Chef
    Moderator
    • Sep 2003
    • 13684

    #2
    Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

    Sorry but as a Dodgers fan, if he hit it against them in L.A. there is no way I would stand and cheer, I dont care the circumstances. I dont know any Dodger fan that in anyway would clap for any accomplishment that was done by a Giant, no way, no how.
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    • mike01
      Banned
      • Jul 2003
      • 1180

      #3
      Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

      As much as I dislike Barry...I have to say I disagree. If he does it in LA, I think we will see a fair amount of people standing and clapping for him as he rounds the bases.

      I can understand you choosing not to. But would you be mad he broke the record while you were in attendance? You can't be, you witnessed the breaking of the greatest sports record of all time, and one of the most controversial issues in sports of this generation.

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      • The Chef
        Moderator
        • Sep 2003
        • 13684

        #4
        Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

        Originally posted by mike01
        As much as I dislike Barry...I have to say I disagree. If he does it in LA, I think we will see a fair amount of people standing and clapping for him as he rounds the bases.

        I can understand you choosing not to. But would you be mad he broke the record while you were in attendance? You can't be, you witnessed the breaking of the greatest sports record of all time, and one of the most controversial issues in sports of this generation.
        Im going to be mad that he broke the record period, whether or not I was in attendance is meaningless. I sincerely hope that Dodger fans sit on their hands and do nothing when/if Bonds breaks the record in LA, silence may be the best way to show defiance (sp?), I just cant imagine that the fans would, in anyway, cheer for a Giants player no matter what that player had done.

        On a side note, if he hits it early in the game it may not matter because nobody will be there, Dodger crowds always seem to be late to every game.
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        • Scottdau
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 32580

          #5
          Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

          Originally posted by Pimping219
          Sorry but as a Dodgers fan, if he hit it against them in L.A. there is no way I would stand and cheer, I dont care the circumstances. I dont know any Dodger fan that in anyway would clap for any accomplishment that was done by a Giant, no way, no how.
          You got that right. lol

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          • DTX3
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jun 2003
            • 13022

            #6
            Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

            If Bonds does it in L.A., whoever gets the ball better throw it back onto the field.
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            • mike01
              Banned
              • Jul 2003
              • 1180

              #7
              Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

              Originally posted by Makaveli
              If Bonds does it in L.A., whoever gets the ball better throw it back onto the field.
              Pshhhh. LOL, you can bet people will be throwing punches, scratching, gouging, crotch-grabbing, etc when that ball lands in the bleachers. It's worth half a million, remember the saga with McGwires HR balls?

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              • Brandon13
                All Star
                • Oct 2005
                • 8915

                #8
                Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

                Interesting post Mike. I'd stand up and clap for Bonds when he broke the record, even though I don't like the guy.

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                • Chip Douglass
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 12256

                  #9
                  Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

                  I'm going to Thursday's game against Tomko, with tickets in left-center, therefore Barry will hear alot from me.

                  I acutally like my chances to catch the ball because I sit within the first 5 rows and Bonds has hit his last few to left-center/dead center, around that area. I think he'll scrap his regular pull-happy routine.
                  I write things on the Internet.

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                  • Chip Douglass
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 12256

                    #10
                    Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

                    Originally posted by Pimping219
                    Sorry but as a Dodgers fan, if he hit it against them in L.A. there is no way I would stand and cheer, I dont care the circumstances. I dont know any Dodger fan that in anyway would clap for any accomplishment that was done by a Giant, no way, no how.
                    Bingo. The fact that it's a Giants player breaking this record diminishes him just as much as his steroid allegations.
                    I write things on the Internet.

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                    • 55
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 20857

                      #11
                      Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

                      Great post TC. I'll take my $30 ticket now, please!

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                      • mike01
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 1180

                        #12
                        Re: Investing in Barry Bonds

                        Well as expected, there were plenty of people in blue tonight clapping as Bonds came up to bat. Like it or not, they wanted to see history.

                        He looked scared to swing tonight, but I think he hits at least one over the next two nights.

                        This offer is absolutely on the table!

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