Most disappointing team?

[Chip Douglass]

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I don't know why they call San Fran '93 a collapse. You win 103 games, you should be in the playoffs. Contrast that w/this year, where the D'Backs have home field for the NL w/just 90 wins. That one, you just have to give credit to the Braves.

...and best of all, it was the Dodgers who spoiled the Giants' hopes on the last day of the season

[J0nnD0ugh]

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...and best of all, it was the Dodgers who spoiled the Giants' hopes on the last day of the season

That's why SF/LA is baseball's best rivalry, no matter what ESPN & FOX try to fool us w/Bos/NY.

[CMH]

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I don't know why they call San Fran '93 a collapse. You win 103 games, you should be in the playoffs.

That's one of the reasons it was a collapse.

They were up 10 games and despite the fact they were running away with the division they allowed Atlanta to catch up with a hot second half.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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That's one of the reasons it was a collapse.

They were up 10 games and despite the fact they were running away with the division they allowed Atlanta to catch up with a hot second half.

It was 2 & a half months. I'm guessing over the same period, the Giants went 38-27. That's a 94 win season over 162 games. They didn't tank. They still played well. The Braves just got super hot. The same pace over 162 games would get them 122 wins.

I'm sorry. That's not a collapse.

[EWRMETS]

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That's why SF/LA is baseball's best rivalry, no matter what ESPN & FOX try to fool us w/Bos/NY.

It probably would have been if they didn't move from NY.

[elicoleman]

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...1.html?cnn=yes

1. 1995 California Angels - led Seattle by 11 games on August 9th; lost the lead, and lost one-game playoff to Mariners.

2. 1993 San Francisco Giants - led Atlanta by 10 games on July 22nd; Braves went 49-16 down the stretch to finish 104-58, while SF finished 103-59.

3. 1987 Toronto Blue Jays - led Detroit by 3.5 with 7 to play and lost all 7, including the final three games of the season to the Tigers.

4. 1978 Boston Red Sox - led New York by 14 games on July 19th; lost the lead, and lost the one-game playoff to the Yankees on Bucky Dent's homer.

5. 1969 Chicago Cubs - led the Mets by 9.5 on August 14th; went 8-17 in September and finished the year 8 games behind New York.

6. 1964 Philadelphia Phillies (The "Phold") - led St. Louis by 6.5 with 12 to play; lost 10 in a row, and lost the pennant to the Cardinals.

7. 1962 Los Angeles Dodgers - lost 10 of their final 13 to blow a 4 game lead on the Giants in the final week of the season; then lost a 3-game playoff to the Giants.

8. 1951 Brooklyn Dodgers - led the Giants by 13.5 on August 11th; lost the lead, and lost the 3-game playoff to the Giants on Bobby Thomson's Shot Heard Round the World.

9. 1942 Brooklyn Dodgers - were 10 games ahead of the Cardinals on August 5th; lost the lead to the Cardinals, who won 106 games to the Dodgers' 104, which is the most wins ever by a club that didn't make the playoffs.

10. 1938 Pittsburgh Pirates - led Chicago by seven games on September 4th, but lost the pennant by 2 games.

11. 1934 New York Giants - entered September with a 7 game lead on the Cardinals; Cardinals went 33-12 down the stretch.

12. 1914 New York Giants - led the Boston Braves by 10.5 on July 21, and ended up LOSING the pennant by 10.5 games.

MLB.com came out with a new list today, actually putting the Mets collapse on top at #1.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070930&content_id=2241903&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

2. 1951, Brooklyn Dodgers to N.Y. Giants

3. 1978, Boston Red Sox to New York Yankees

4. 1964, Philadelphia Phillies to St. Louis Cardinals

5. 1995, California Angels to Seattle Mariners

6. 1942, Brooklyn Dodgers to St. Louis Cardinals

7. 1993, San Francisco Giants to Atlanta Braves

8. 1969, Chicago Cubs to New York Mets

9. 1914, New York Giants to Boston Braves

10. 1979, Houston Astros to Cincinnati Reds

11. 1987, Toronto Blue Jays to Detroit Tigers

[CMH]

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It was 2 & a half months. I'm guessing over the same period, the Giants went 38-27. That's a 94 win season over 162 games. They didn't tank. They still played well. The Braves just got super hot. The same pace over 162 games would get them 122 wins.

I'm sorry. That's not a collapse.

Yea, that's not a collapse. I used the word and meant to really say it was a disappointment. I had the title of this thread in my mind but the word collapse in my fingertips.

It was a disappointment because they won 103 games and didn't make the playoffs. But, you're right, it wasn't a collapse. They did everything right. Not their fault the Braves played abnormally well over the second half.

[SlimKibbles]

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Definitely the Mets.

From a personal standpoint, the Reds.

[dkgojackets]

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Mets without question.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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It probably would have been if they didn't move from NY.

It still is, despite the move from NY. That's the problem w/the people who broadcast the national games. They are so into what's going on in the eastern time zone they are completely oblivious to anything west of St.Louis.

The Dodger/Giants rivalry is so much more heated, has so much more history, & been so much more competitive, any other matchup in baseball ain't even a close second.

[Dondadda]

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The Mets collapse was so bad that it's permanently damaged my ability to get into another MLB season again (I'm a Mets fan).

Please, Fred Wilpon, dump the entire team, the GM, and the coach, and start over. This one will never get it done.

[EWRMETS]

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The Mets collapse was so bad that it's permanently damaged my ability to get into another MLB season again (I'm a Mets fan).

Please, Fred Wilpon, dump the entire team, the GM, and the coach, and start over. This one will never get it done.

Happy that you're not Fred Wilpon.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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MLB.com came out with a new list today, actually putting the Mets collapse on top at #1.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070930&content_id=2241903&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

2. 1951, Brooklyn Dodgers to N.Y. Giants

3. 1978, Boston Red Sox to New York Yankees

4. 1964, Philadelphia Phillies to St. Louis Cardinals

5. 1995, California Angels to Seattle Mariners

6. 1942, Brooklyn Dodgers to St. Louis Cardinals

7. 1993, San Francisco Giants to Atlanta Braves

8. 1969, Chicago Cubs to New York Mets

9. 1914, New York Giants to Boston Braves

10. 1979, Houston Astros to Cincinnati Reds

11. 1987, Toronto Blue Jays to Detroit Tigers

I'd say '64 Philly first. Followed by the '69 Cubs, then the '07 Mets.

[Pierzynski 12]

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They rarely looked good over the last three months.

Coming into the season I thought they would contend for the playoffs and win 85-90 games. To blow an 8.5 game lead and finish barely above .500 is definitely a huge disappointment.

Yeah, i agree with that. You should of had it wrapped up.

Too many blown leads really hurt you.

[CMH]

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The Dodger/Giants rivalry is so much more heated, has so much more history, & been so much more competitive, any other matchup in baseball ain't even a close second.

I really don't think it's only East Coast bias, though.

A lot of reason for the Yanks/Red Sox rivalry being so big is because the two teams have faced off each other in a few big ALCS. The media has used previous history to make the rivalry seem bigger. I don't remember the rivalry getting as much talk in the late 90's.

If the Dodgers and Giants could finally make the playoffs together (or make the playoffs period) on a consistent basis then their rivalry will also get a lot of talk.