MVP no "zone hitting' where's the innovation?

[undertow1969]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

Challenge away!

Actually High Heat has great innovation because you time the pitch and then pick the location. In my post I was wondering why just timing a hit is any different than their past Triple Play releases. I was interested in MVP if it had a deeper batting interface. You guys seem to be defending MVP's batting before it's even out,

[wadew]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

and you're criticizing it before it even comes out. Like i said before you always have HIGH HEAT and ASB if you want zone hitting.

What would be so "Innovative" about MVP having Zone hitting if TWO game have it already?

[wadew]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

and you're criticizing it before it even comes out. Like i said before you always have HIGH HEAT and ASB if you want zone hitting.

What would be so "Innovative" about MVP having Zone hitting if TWO game have it already?

[undertow1969]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

I wasn't criticizing MVP but rather wondering why EA says this timing batting method is innovative. Instead of helping me understand what's it's all about, everyone wants to talk about how cursor batting sucks and how timing is 90% of baseball.

My original question is what's so innovative about timing batting? Isn't that what TP had? Not having the ability to select high, low, outside etc swings is a big deal. This was a factor between me getting MVP, HH or WSB baseball. I think lots of people see key words in the post and flame away. Tough boards!

[undertow1969]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

I wasn't criticizing MVP but rather wondering why EA says this timing batting method is innovative. Instead of helping me understand what's it's all about, everyone wants to talk about how cursor batting sucks and how timing is 90% of baseball.

My original question is what's so innovative about timing batting? Isn't that what TP had? Not having the ability to select high, low, outside etc swings is a big deal. This was a factor between me getting MVP, HH or WSB baseball. I think lots of people see key words in the post and flame away. Tough boards!

[wadew]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

Give me a break, you're not being "flamed" at all in this thread . And i can't tell you if there's anything "Innovative" about MVP's batting because i haven't played it Yet.

[wadew]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

Give me a break, you're not being "flamed" at all in this thread . And i can't tell you if there's anything "Innovative" about MVP's batting because i haven't played it Yet.

[jasongst]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

Since a real baseball player, before the pitch, may try to guess where the pitch is going to come in I think that's how it should work for the player of the game. Before the pitch he picks a spot (invisibly, just tilt the stick a ways and press a button), and that guess spot will be locked in once the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. That spot he picked was just a "guess" spot and he doesn't have to pick one if he doesn't want to. Then, when the actual pitch comes in the success of the hit depends on three things: the timing of the swing, the batter's zone preferences, and the guess spot. Guessing the wrong spot won't make you whiff necessarily (depending on the player), but in every case the hit won't be as solid.

Baseball Advance actually has pitch placement guessing but I consider it flawed (the lock-ons don't produce a good variety of hits). You do end up waiting for your pitch though, which is certainly an achievement for a baseball game! I give it major props for trying to do something different.

To me, guessing the placement and timing the swing would create just the right amount of technique and challenge for the user. Having a cursor is fun, but it sometimes creates information overload. You spend less time worrying about whether you like the pitch or not and more time just trying to aim the cursor. Consequently you are less likely to wait for the right pitch. Having timing-only like MVP, as long as the zone preferences are given priority, would at least succeed in making you wait for your pitch. And since it has reduced the number of user inputs you are more likely to see real MLB players performing like they do in real life.

The bottom line is that you want the user to be thinking as much like a real batter as possible. Real batters (not all of course) will be thinking about what's coming next and making predictions on the placement and timing of the pitch.

[jasongst]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

Since a real baseball player, before the pitch, may try to guess where the pitch is going to come in I think that's how it should work for the player of the game. Before the pitch he picks a spot (invisibly, just tilt the stick a ways and press a button), and that guess spot will be locked in once the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. That spot he picked was just a "guess" spot and he doesn't have to pick one if he doesn't want to. Then, when the actual pitch comes in the success of the hit depends on three things: the timing of the swing, the batter's zone preferences, and the guess spot. Guessing the wrong spot won't make you whiff necessarily (depending on the player), but in every case the hit won't be as solid.

Baseball Advance actually has pitch placement guessing but I consider it flawed (the lock-ons don't produce a good variety of hits). You do end up waiting for your pitch though, which is certainly an achievement for a baseball game! I give it major props for trying to do something different.

To me, guessing the placement and timing the swing would create just the right amount of technique and challenge for the user. Having a cursor is fun, but it sometimes creates information overload. You spend less time worrying about whether you like the pitch or not and more time just trying to aim the cursor. Consequently you are less likely to wait for the right pitch. Having timing-only like MVP, as long as the zone preferences are given priority, would at least succeed in making you wait for your pitch. And since it has reduced the number of user inputs you are more likely to see real MLB players performing like they do in real life.

The bottom line is that you want the user to be thinking as much like a real batter as possible. Real batters (not all of course) will be thinking about what's coming next and making predictions on the placement and timing of the pitch.

[jake]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

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I But instead of having HH's zone hitting it appears to be only timing based like in Triple Play. What's fun about that?

Plus I can't ever imagine striking out using this batting method.

Am I missing something or is there more to MVP's batting?

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Correct me if Im wrong but you more or less asked why EAs new method was a good idea heavyhanded with cynicism/skepticism. And so we told you why it, in theory, its better. I dont know what method HH has (you say zone) but ASB and WSB use cursors. Its perfectly sensible to think thats where you were headed.

[jake]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

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I But instead of having HH's zone hitting it appears to be only timing based like in Triple Play. What's fun about that?

Plus I can't ever imagine striking out using this batting method.

Am I missing something or is there more to MVP's batting?

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Correct me if Im wrong but you more or less asked why EAs new method was a good idea heavyhanded with cynicism/skepticism. And so we told you why it, in theory, its better. I dont know what method HH has (you say zone) but ASB and WSB use cursors. Its perfectly sensible to think thats where you were headed.

[donjn]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

undertow1969:

Here's were your completely wrong..

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps EA was talking about the innovation when YOU are pitching, not when you are batting. All they said was "batter/pitcher interface". I do believe that you playing the catcher, selecting the location, and then you play the pitcher, trying to hit that target with a meter is quite innovative.

All you guys are thinking when your up to bat, noyt when your pitching. Isnt when your pitching 50% of the batter/pitcher interface??

This is not a flame. In fact I just made a VERY good point.

[donjn]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

undertow1969:

Here's were your completely wrong..

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps EA was talking about the innovation when YOU are pitching, not when you are batting. All they said was "batter/pitcher interface". I do believe that you playing the catcher, selecting the location, and then you play the pitcher, trying to hit that target with a meter is quite innovative.

All you guys are thinking when your up to bat, noyt when your pitching. Isnt when your pitching 50% of the batter/pitcher interface??

This is not a flame. In fact I just made a VERY good point.

[GridironGamer]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

i've saved just about every game video . I've watched them numerous times, as i'm sure many of you waiting have. That throwing meter is just killer, it adds so much to the game and another dimension to pitching. Wish EA could have put the sliders in, thats my only reservation about the game.

[GridironGamer]

Re: MVP no \"zone hitting\' where\'s the innovation?

i've saved just about every game video . I've watched them numerous times, as i'm sure many of you waiting have. That throwing meter is just killer, it adds so much to the game and another dimension to pitching. Wish EA could have put the sliders in, thats my only reservation about the game.