Clemens and Pettitte called to testify to Congress

[oakfan162]

Re: @ oakfan162

Why? I've heard, but hadn't read on it...but there's something about the Anti-Trust issue that they can hold against MLB.

I'll add this, if anyone from day one....with the hearings involving McGuire, Sosa, Palmiero & Schilling...felt that the Gov't had gone too far then, then I'll say they're raising a valid question. And they're consistent. But....

for the legions out there who foamed at the mouth back then...drooled at the mouth when Sheff, Giambi and Bonds testified about what they didnt know or what they knew...and NOW they're having a problem with the Gov't stepping in, then they need to get a grip.

I really see your point about the double standard and agree about the hypocrisies and double standards. I guess I just wish baseball could have done this on its own. I have no problem with the players being exposed and all the grievances aired out, I just am not all that into the it having to be the Government to do it.

[Gary Armida]

Re: Clemens and Pettitte called to testify to Congress

Fellas, keep in mind that this is a non-political site. I know it's hard not to discuss the government here, but there are other places that deal with that.


Rod--You are absolutely correct in what you said. I've written a couple of times that we should give Clemens the benefit of the doubt considering he so vehemently denied the allegations when they first came out. I did say the same thing about Bonds too, when his allegations first came out., but I didn't have a forum to write about them then.

I kept thinking, why would Clemens deny so harshly if he was lying, although you just kinda knew he was. After seeing the 60 minutes clip, it's time for us to treat him EXACTLY like Barry Bonds. He is no different; he even gives the same story.

I am actually looking forward to the Hall of Fame Class of 2013 when Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, and Palmiero can all go in together.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ oakfan162

you know what? Now that you mention it, who can REALLY get down to the crux of the matter? Meaning what power other than law enforcement, can in essence, MAKE the players talk under oath? Hmmmm

I really see your point about the double standard and agree about the hypocrisies and double standards. I guess I just wish baseball could have done this on its own. I have no problem with the players being exposed and all the grievances aired out, I just am not all that into the it having to be the Government to do it.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ favre4vr

Dontcha worry...I wont get deep politically...lol

I agree, in it's basic premise, we ALL (including this author) should give ALL whose names were brought up, the benefit of the doubt. And more importantly, we ALL should ALWAYS remember that in THIS country (i'm not a flag waver, just keeping it real), you are INNOCENT before proven guilty.

The bad thing is, is that with the mass saturation of sports talk radio, cable, the internet, tabloids and many folks not having any common sense at all, that basic rule is meaning less and less and less as the years go by. And that's REAL SAD.

Fellas, keep in mind that this is a non-political site. I know it's hard not to discuss the government here, but there are other places that deal with that.


Rod--You are absolutely correct in what you said. I've written a couple of times that we should give Clemens the benefit of the doubt considering he so vehemently denied the allegations when they first came out. I did say the same thing about Bonds too, when his allegations first came out., but I didn't have a forum to write about them then.

I kept thinking, why would Clemens deny so harshly if he was lying, although you just kinda knew he was. After seeing the 60 minutes clip, it's time for us to treat him EXACTLY like Barry Bonds. He is no different; he even gives the same story.

I am actually looking forward to the Hall of Fame Class of 2013 when Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, and Palmiero can all go in together.

[Gary Armida]

Re: @ favre4vr

Completely agree Rod. As I've said a few times, media today is all about breaking the story rather than analyzing the story. Well said, man.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ favre4vr

thank you...and I hate to say this, but in our lifetimes, I don't see this trend reversing.

Completely agree Rod. As I've said a few times, media today is all about breaking the story rather than analyzing the story. Well said, man.

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: @ favre4vr

5th. 5th. 5th.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ ComfortablyLomb

LOL

I can't say that I disagree with you.....

5th. 5th. 5th.

[Heelfan71]

Re: Clemens and Pettitte called to testify to Congress

Clemens is so full of it. If he was in fact taking B12 shots up his arse, he would of said that from day one. He first denied taking steroids. Then it took him a month to even mention vitamins. Guess he was searching for a good excuse and this is all he could come up with.

[oakfan162]

Re: @ favre4vr

thank you...and I hate to say this, but in our lifetimes, I don't see this trend reversing.

If anything, I see this trend increasing. With the internet and alternative news sources gaining popularity, mainstream media is and will continue to be forced to sensationalize in order to remain relevant. Its unfortunate, but I think it is a reality.

[NovaStar]

Re: @ favre4vr

5th. 5th. 5th.

That is exactly what I would do if I were Clemens. Until they bring him before a grand jury, I wouldn't answer anything. They are in essence trying to convict him of something based on the word of another man by having him "answer questions" under oath. 5th avenue all day long.

[arichzona]

Re: Clemens and Pettitte called to testify to Congress

Clemens is so full of it. If he was in fact taking B12 shots up his arse, he would of said that from day one. He first denied taking steroids. Then it took him a month to even mention vitamins. Guess he was searching for a good excuse and this is all he could come up with.

100% correct. Who would take a b12 shot in the arse when you can go to any drug store, grocery store, or wal-mart and buy pills? Then again..... when I go to grab a B12 supplement they usually are right next to the horse steroids - maybe he picked up the wrong bottle?

How stupid does he think the public is? Who takes "secret" vitamins anyway? It's not as if the general public, let alone trainers and nutritionists did not know the value of B12. If I were in the report and all that was going on was me taking b12 shots.... I dont think I would have (a) waited three weeks to mention it, and (b) would not have gone to the lengths he did to avoid speaking about it in public.

It is as if he spent three weeks googling "legal things you can inject into your ***" and this is what he came up with.

It screams - LIAR!!!!

[Dipstick]

Re: Clemens and Pettitte called to testify to Congress

If Clemens needed those shots,wouldn't the team doctor be the one giving them to him?

[arichzona]

Re: Clemens and Pettitte called to testify to Congress

If Clemens needed those shots,wouldn't the team doctor be the one giving them to him?

once again..........the rocket thinks everyone in the world is too stupid to put the pieces together.

I see him either being another Palmeiro, or another BigMac in Congress.....

[jim416]

Re: Clemens and Pettitte called to testify to Congress

Clemens is so full of it. If he was in fact taking B12 shots up his arse, he would of said that from day one. He first denied taking steroids. Then it took him a month to even mention vitamins. Guess he was searching for a good excuse and this is all he could come up with.

Yep. From day one if he would have responded, "the guys full of it. He was watching me take B12". People might have given him the benefit of the doubt on that day (I wouldn't have), but to say it now?