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  • ComfortablyLomb
    MVP
    • Sep 2003
    • 3548

    #16
    Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

    Originally posted by snepp
    Please....
    So what you're saying is spending $200 million isn't an advantage over a team spending $155 million? Right...

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    • dkgojackets
      Banned
      • Mar 2005
      • 13816

      #17
      Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

      Originally posted by ComfortablyLomb
      So what you're saying is spending $200 million isn't an advantage over a team spending $155 million? Right...
      They shipped out over 50 million just to negotiate with an above average pitcher.

      Add that and it's more than what the Yanks spent.

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      • ComfortablyLomb
        MVP
        • Sep 2003
        • 3548

        #18
        Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

        Originally posted by dkgojackets
        They shipped out over 50 million just to negotiate with an above average pitcher.

        Add that and it's more than what the Yanks spent.
        So? That's not salary, it was a number of things including an investment into the Japanese market. The Yankees apparently had $32 million or something kicking around that they bid too. Even if I were to grant you the one-time $50, it's still one year out of many in recent memory. Their salary advantage for quite a while now has been immense.

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        • dkgojackets
          Banned
          • Mar 2005
          • 13816

          #19
          Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

          Ah, so 50 million dollars don't count as "funds" because it wasn't explicitly towards salary. Got it.

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          • snepp
            We'll waste him too.
            • Apr 2003
            • 10007

            #20
            Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

            And people wonder why Sox/Patriot fans are becoming the most annoying in sports.
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            • ComfortablyLomb
              MVP
              • Sep 2003
              • 3548

              #21
              Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

              Originally posted by dkgojackets
              Ah, so 50 million dollars don't count as "funds" because it wasn't explicitly towards salary. Got it.
              So you're ignoring the $50+ million difference for all those other years even counting that?

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              • dkgojackets
                Banned
                • Mar 2005
                • 13816

                #22
                Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                Theres the inferiority complex towards the yankees again. Focus only big brother and ignore what every other team in the league spends.

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                • ComfortablyLomb
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 3548

                  #23
                  Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                  Originally posted by dkgojackets
                  Theres the inferiority complex towards the yankees again. Focus only big brother and ignore what every other team in the league spends.
                  The most relevant competition is the competition within your own division. The least relevant is the entire other league. I haven't said anything about other teams because the point is the Yankees either have an advantage or they don't. Basically, either salary matters or it doesn't. You seem to feel an extra $50 million a year isn't an advantage, which is very silly.

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                  • dkgojackets
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 13816

                    #24
                    Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                    This is the first time I've seen the new quote. Pretty sweet.

                    You seem to be ignoring the diminishing marginal returns of payroll as it gets to obscene levels.

                    The real difference between, say, a $50M payroll and $100M is much greater than $150M and $200M.

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                    • The GIGGAS
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                      • Mar 2003
                      • 28474

                      #25
                      Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                      This is why baseball needs a cap.
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                      • soltrain
                        The Batman
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6863

                        #26
                        Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                        The Chicago Bulls do this exact same thing. I think they are called The Matadors? They've been doing it for three or four years, I think.
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                        • dkgojackets
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 13816

                          #27
                          Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                          Originally posted by The GIGGAS
                          This is why baseball needs a cap.
                          Disagree with that, they need a floor.

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                          • The GIGGAS
                            Timbers - Jags - Hokies
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 28474

                            #28
                            Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                            Originally posted by dkgojackets
                            Disagree with that, they need a floor.
                            A cap and a floor would be the best idea for baseball.
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                            • Stu
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                              • Jun 2004
                              • 7924

                              #29
                              Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                              Originally posted by The GIGGAS
                              A cap and a floor would be the best idea for baseball.
                              There will never be a hard cap/floor though. What they need to do is revise the revenue sharing system so it doesn't reward teams that spend very little. If a team only has a $30 mil payroll they shouldn't be receiving $50 mil in revenue sharing (just a rough example).

                              A hard salary floor would never work. What are teams who are below it supposed to do, spend a crapload of money on bad players just so they reach the salary floor?

                              A soft floor could work though. They could basically implement something a lot like the luxury tax. If you are spending less than X dollars, you lose a certain percentage of the money you would have received in revenue sharing. Repeat offenders lose a higher percentage.
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                              • ComfortablyLomb
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 3548

                                #30
                                Re: Florida Marlins trying something new...

                                Originally posted by dkgojackets
                                This is the first time I've seen the new quote. Pretty sweet.

                                You seem to be ignoring the diminishing marginal returns of payroll as it gets to obscene levels.

                                The real difference between, say, a $50M payroll and $100M is much greater than $150M and $200M.
                                It's funny you mention the quote box thing, I was thinking the same thing.

                                There's obviously a much bigger difference between a $50 and $100 million payroll than a $150 and a $200 but that doesn't negate there being a significant difference between the latter two.

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