0.2 IP, 7 hits, 8 ER, 2 BB, 0K
Totals to a nice 108 ERA and a 13.43 WHIP.
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0.2 IP, 7 hits, 8 ER, 2 BB, 0K
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Re: Well Zito started out the year well
He never deserved that contract.
All of the warning signs were there. His numbers were declining in Oakland and yet naysayers kept talking about his Cy Young Year in 2002. They completely ignored his numbers from 2003-2006.
Now granted, Barry Zito wasn't a bad pitcher. He was still a very good pitcher from 2003-2006. But he hasn't been a lights out ace since winning his Cy Young. Sorry."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
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And he didn't even deserve that Cy Young award in '02 (yeah, I'm still bitter). Sooner or later GM's will learn to avoid giving big dollars to pitchers with declining strikeout numbers. I will add though that I didn't think Zito would be bad last year, but not worth one of the richest contracts ever for a pitcher. Of course he ended up being terrible pitching in a weak division in a neutral park and is now the number 3 starter on his team. Hopefully for the Giants he can at least get back to tossing 200 innings a year, then they can at least label him an innings eater.Comment
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I've never been very big on Zito. Again, after his Cy Young year in '02, it seems like the guy just fell apart and can't get back into the groove.Comment
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It's probably one of the worst contracts ever given to a pitcher. I wonder what the odds are of Zito getting demoted or even outright released by the Giants.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Re: Well Zito started out the year well
Man Barry where did it all go wrong?
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I agree, he had an good year in '06, just not last year.
If SF is bad and NYY are losing ground to Bos and in the Wild Card, I don't put it past them to go after someone like Zito. I think Steinbrenner the younger is looking to make HIS mark and may not be too concerned with Cashman and building up a young nucleus. I don't know who they would use to trade with though. If they were willing to trade any young guys they would have gone after Santana a little harder.
I don't know much about the SF minors, but they are old right now on the big team.Comment
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What are the chances that he is tipping his pitches?? I think a lot of managers are negligent for not noticing this kind of thing when it is happening.
Apparently finding out about it was a big pat of AJ Burnett's semi-resurgence last year.Australian Rules Football...just sayin'Comment
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I dont get to see him because he's on the West and I'm on the East. All I remember is his curveball and wasnt his fastball real average?Comment
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By ML standards he doesn't throw incredibly hard. I've read that he averages 88, 89 mph.
His curveball is, of course, disgusting.
But velocity doesn't tell the whole story. There are guys that throw 95+ and get shallacked. (cough*Kyle Fransworth and his waste in the pen) and guys that throw low 90's/high 80's that are stellar (Greg Maddux is probably the best example).
Lookoing at Zito's numbers there isn't much deviation. He is consistent. The only stat that really jumps out at me as having changed (for the worse) over his career is strikeouts. They have gone incredibly down.
His first two years in the league, his best seasons, he struck out 205 and 182 batters, respectively.
Now he barely gets to 150. Couple that with a slight increase in walks (likely because with less guys striking out, more are taking extra pitches and drawing walks) and Zito is allowing more baserunners.
Baserunners score.
This is the worry with Wang. He doesn't strike out batters. THe only reason he's been successful is because he doesn't walk a lot of batters and he has an incredible (not Webb incredible but maybe 1A incredible) groundball:flyball ratio.
Zito doesn't have that. Last I checked his ratio was 0.89."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
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Ohhh...man. This is going to be a long year for me.
Zito has been this way, even in Oakland. He will pitch gems and then get killed. He gets into trouble very early and can't correct himself. In the local papers he said he was trying to hard to live up to his contract last year. I would be more angry with his performance if we actually had a playoff caliber team and we are banking on him being a 15-20 game winner (which that large of a contract should command). All I can hope for is he shapes up before we come back into contention. Because even if he gives up 2-runs with 6 hits, our offense still needs to come up with 3-runs. Easier said then done, especially in the NL West this year.Comment
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