Collusion

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Collusion

You have got to be kidding me. Why must everything be a conspiracy? They are both over 40. They both command a ton of money. No one wants to pay for them. Its simple.

no its not "simple" they are plenty players over 40 in the league and none of them are as good as Bonds at the plate, you're only kidding yourself

[CoRruPt-]

Re: Collusion

So if the MLBPA do file a grievance... what's the ultimate end result if it does go through? Force a team to sign Bonds, Lofton, etc? Seriously, what can the MLBPA do?

[Rainey]

Re: Collusion

no its not "simple" they are plenty players over 40 in the league and none of them are as good as Bonds at the plate, you're only kidding yourself

Why would a team want the kind of attention he would bring though?

[bkfount]

Re: Collusion

no its not "simple" they are plenty players over 40 in the league and none of them are as good as Bonds at the plate, you're only kidding yourself

and none of those other over 40 players bring the same trash Bonds will bring on day one. Bonds is done because he simply cannot produce for the amount of money he wants and crap a team would need to put up with to have him around. As explained everywhere else, he's only AL material now, and DH at that. I suppose he could be considered if an injury happens or if a team is desperate enough, but it's still only the first week of May.

Investigating collusion when anyone can easily see why Bonds has no job is laughable and a waste of time. Collusion is tough to prove, and is a stupid policy for a serious league to use to blackball players. They never touched Bonds when he was playing the last couple of years, although they could have done something for the "good of the game". But now the union thinks the league conspired to blackball him with dark room meetings between every MLB owner.

[Knight165]

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no its not "simple" they are plenty players over 40 in the league and none of them are as good as Bonds at the plate, you're only kidding yourself

Yeah...not THAT many...and how much are they making?
I'm serious as I have no idea...and also how much would Bonds be asking for?
PLUS...for 21 years....he had no problem getting some pretty big contracts(albeit from just two teams)....and NOW there is collusion!?

M.K.
Knight165

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Collusion

you guys have so much ignorance and hate towards Bonds its pathetic

[Psyblast]

Re: Collusion

you guys have so much ignorance and hate towards Bonds its pathetic

Yes, as opposed to you being totally objective.

Has Barry mailed you the check yet? You're doing an excellent job as his agent.

[bkfount]

Re: Collusion

you guys have so much ignorance and hate towards Bonds its pathetic

actually no. If you do a search for any posts I made on Bonds, I have usually been defending him. I liked him as a player, and feel he is suffering the wrath from what the owners should be facing, not the players.

However, you are the one that is being completely blind on this issue. Bonds is done. He's over 40, declining, and on bad knees, while also asking for a Bonds sized contract. He's a DH at best, when obviously no AL teams want him right now. It's only weeks into the season, and if he keeps working out, he may find a job eventually on the right team if a big injury happens or something.

There's numerous reasons as to why Bonds isn't signed, and being blackballed by a collusion plan from the owners is way down the list of rational reasons.

[nyisles16]

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Yeah.. collusion too that Piazza wasn't signed!!!

At this point, he's a HR or bust type hitter, and a below average OF -- oh, and his age might have something to do with it too..

And I guarantee, he's probably had his "say" in any deal a team might try to make him..

[rsox]

Re: Collusion

The whole argument about collusion is silly. You can make the argument that any player who goes unsigned is being colluded against. Reggie Sanders, Jose Mesa, Eric Milton, Rodrigo Lopez, Preston Wilson, Antonio Alfonseca, Roberto Hernandez, Corey Koskie...all being colluded against. The union should do something about this travesty.

[mjb2124]

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So if the MLBPA do file a grievance... what's the ultimate end result if it does go through? Force a team to sign Bonds, Lofton, etc? Seriously, what can the MLBPA do?

I'm not sure what they can do, but this isn't a rare occurrence. The MLBPA files these type of grievances for players that haven't been signed every year.

[mjb2124]

Re: Collusion

and none of those other over 40 players bring the same trash Bonds will bring on day one. Bonds is done because he simply cannot produce for the amount of money he wants and crap a team would need to put up with to have him around. As explained everywhere else, he's only AL material now, and DH at that. I suppose he could be considered if an injury happens or if a team is desperate enough, but it's still only the first week of May.

Investigating collusion when anyone can easily see why Bonds has no job is laughable and a waste of time. Collusion is tough to prove, and is a stupid policy for a serious league to use to blackball players. They never touched Bonds when he was playing the last couple of years, although they could have done something for the "good of the game". But now the union thinks the league conspired to blackball him with dark room meetings between every MLB owner.

Game, set, match...

[poster]

Re: Collusion

Game, set, match...

Indeed. Great post bkfount. The thought that this is collusion is beyond f'n laughable.

[Blzer]

Re: Collusion

I am in the same boat as everyone else that this collusion is laughable. If he's not signed, he's not signed. There should not be any investigation or force for any team to sign him.

At the same time, I do think it's unfair that he hasn't been signed by a team like Seattle at this point. That's my own personal opinion, and my reasons are as good as any. Aside from the negative distractions, he will probably once again still lead the world in OBP and attract at least 5,000 more fans a game on average (probably more). His domination at the plate is bar none a good reason for just five more months of playing time as well as a shot at 3,000 career hits.

[nyisles16]

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The whole argument about collusion is silly. You can make the argument that any player who goes unsigned is being colluded against. Reggie Sanders, Jose Mesa, Eric Milton, Rodrigo Lopez, Preston Wilson, Antonio Alfonseca, Roberto Hernandez, Corey Koskie...all being colluded against. The union should do something about this travesty.

Koskie is suffering from concussion-like symptoms I believe - kept him out for last year (or most of)...