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  • funky_chicken
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 3282

    #1

    C.C. must stand for complete crap

    The CC in C.C. Sabathia's name must stand for complete crap because that is how he is pitching so far this year. Here is his line for tonight.

    IP H R ER BB SO HR
    4.0 8 9 9 5 1 2

    As you can see, another stellar performance. If the Indians are going to have a chance in the AL Central, CC needs to start pitching a lot better then this. To think this is his contract year. The offer the Indians made him during the spring is looking very attractive right now. If CC keeps pitching like this he will be lucky to get half the money the Indians had offered him.
  • bucksfan07
    Pro
    • Nov 2006
    • 827

    #2
    Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

    he sure picked a bad time in his career to have a 13.00 era through his first starts, certainly isn't helping his contract cause

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #3
      Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

      He's certainly buckling under the pressure. He should've signed the deal that Cleveland was offering in the offseason. Now he's going to literally pay the price for being greedy.

      The warning signs were there in the postseason though. He's clearly blown up. I haven't seen any of his games but i'm betting that he's pressing and isn't throwing free and easy.
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      • Psyblast
        2023 National Champions
        • Jun 2003
        • 42584

        #4
        Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

        In related news, the Tigers appear to be waking up...

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        • snepp
          We'll waste him too.
          • Apr 2003
          • 10007

          #5
          Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

          Originally posted by Psyblast
          In related news, the Tigers appear to be waking up...
          The Twins bullpen says, "you're welcome."
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          • funky_chicken
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 3282

            #6
            Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

            Originally posted by Psyblast
            In related news, the Tigers appear to be waking up...
            That's for sure. The offense is finally starting to do what everyone was expecting them to. It was just a matter of time before the team started hitting. Offense is not going to be the problem over the course of the season. Pitching on the other hand remains to be seen.

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            • OSUFan_88
              Outback Jesus
              • Jul 2004
              • 25642

              #7
              Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

              CC is terrible right now. He is missing pitches up in the zone, and when you do that, you get an ERA like the one CC has right now.

              Another thing is that Cleveland fans are getting very pissed at this team in general, because they are showing no life and their pitching looks to be garbage outside of Lee, Westbrook, and sometimes Carmona.
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              • SPTO
                binging
                • Feb 2003
                • 68046

                #8
                Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

                Wasn't this the problem a couple seasons ago? "does some fact checking"

                Yep i'm right, in '05 they had a very strong season then dropped to 78-84 in '06 then bounced back last year only to look pretty bad this year. It seems to me like Wedge can't manage two straight very good seasons.

                I have a feeling there's going to be people calling for his head if the bad play and no life continues from the team this year.
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                • OSUFan_88
                  Outback Jesus
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 25642

                  #9
                  Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

                  Originally posted by SPTO
                  Wasn't this the problem a couple seasons ago? "does some fact checking"

                  Yep i'm right, in '05 they had a very strong season then dropped to 78-84 in '06 then bounced back last year only to look pretty bad this year. It seems to me like Wedge can't manage two straight very good seasons.

                  I have a feeling there's going to be people calling for his head if the bad play and no life continues from the team this year.
                  Wedge just isn't a very good manager. He won the manager of the year last year...but I still can't figure out why. He isn't a screamer, he isn't a tactics guy...i'm not sure what his managing style is. We'll see how it unfolds.
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                  • Sandman42
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 15186

                    #10
                    Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

                    He'll be fine, he's just going through some extreme bad luck right now. Just look at some of these numbers compared to his career.

                    BABIP: .423
                    Career BABIP: .298

                    HR/FB: 19.2%
                    Career HR/FB: 8.8%

                    There's no way those 2 stay that high, because not even the worst pitchers in the league have rates that high. The only thing I would be worried about is he does have a higher walk rate than the past years, but he's only made 4 starts so far so it could just be small sample size.
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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #11
                      Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

                      You're right about the BABIP and HR/FB. But the reason for that is because he's keeping the ball up. And that will also increase your walk totals.

                      If CC can't find a way to fix his mechanics then those numbers will stay high (though they will likely decrease over time as like you mentioned. No one stays that high in the majors).

                      I'm not overly confident about him because CC's career rates still aren't that impressive when it comes to BABIP and HR/FB.

                      But he's been very consistent throughout his career. His numbers are almost mirror images of each other year in and year out. And his walk totals continue to drop even as his innings go up. That's good stuff right there.

                      The thing about Sabathia is that he isn't lights out most of the time. He's a Low 4 ERA pitcher and while that means he's very good, it also means he gets hit hard every now and then and people always remember the bad outings.
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                      • soltrain
                        The Batman
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6863

                        #12
                        Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

                        I've always thought the C.C. stood for Captain Cheeseburger. Anyway, he had a long year last year. I compare it to what Buerhle did in 05, and then his terrible year in 06. I'm sure he is just worn down.
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                        • sportznut02
                          The buzz is palpable now!
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 8064

                          #13
                          Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

                          i don`t think it has anything to do with wearing down or arm troubles. Read in the Plain Dealer this morning that he has not lost any velocity. I think its just pressure, look at the playoffs last year he was awful, and now he is pitching for a contract he has been even worse
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                          • boomhauertjs
                            All Star
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 5373

                            #14
                            Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

                            Even though I hate to see the Tribe lose, I'm glad Miguel Cabrera had a big hand in Detroit's win. Mark Shapiro wasn't willing to give up his prized "prospects" for Cabrera, whose bat would sure look good in the Indians anemic lineup. He wouldn't give up Franklin Gutierrez (batting under .200, only hit .230 against righties last year), Asdrubal Cabrera (batting under .200, Josh Barfield available at 2B), and Adam Miller (injured again).
                            Shapiro is good at trading for prospects, but terrible at trading them. He waits too long (Marte, Brandon Phillips) to move them when they are most valuable.

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                            • ExtremeGamer
                              Extra Life 11/3/18
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 35299

                              #15
                              Re: C.C. must stand for complete crap

                              Originally posted by boomhauertjs
                              Even though I hate to see the Tribe lose, I'm glad Miguel Cabrera had a big hand in Detroit's win. Mark Shapiro wasn't willing to give up his prized "prospects" for Cabrera, whose bat would sure look good in the Indians anemic lineup. He wouldn't give up Franklin Gutierrez (batting under .200, only hit .230 against righties last year), Asdrubal Cabrera (batting under .200, Josh Barfield available at 2B), and Adam Miller (injured again).
                              Shapiro is good at trading for prospects, but terrible at trading them. He waits too long (Marte, Brandon Phillips) to move them when they are most valuable.
                              I don't agree with that at all. I didn't want Cabrera for a couple reasons (not that I heard we were ever a serious contender anyway), one, it would have given CC another eating partner, and for 2, we would have never given him that contract Detroit did. So we would have given up 2 starters, and a prized prospect for a one year rental. No thanks.

                              The Kouzmanoff deal still is the one that ticks me off.

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