Total Bases Stat

[ZB9]

it is an overlooked stat, but is STILL the best way to judge the best offensive players at every level of baseball imo.

[Sportsforever]

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it is an overlooked stat, but is STILL the best way to judge the best offensive players at every level of baseball imo.

I don't know...I haven't put a lot of thought into it, but I don't know that I'd want a guy who goes 1-4 with a HR over a guy who goes 4-4 with 4 1B's.

[mjb2124]

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I still prefer OPS.

With that said, I don't think there's really one single stat that tells the whole story.

[Jistic]

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Im a RC/27 guy.

[Blzer]

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I honestly don't mind looking at Triple Crown numbers, but it certainly doesn't tell the whole story.

I'm waiting for a stat that makes #2 hitters look better... meaning a stat that shows one's ability to move runners over.

I like Total Bases, but it's a direct result of Slugging Percentage, so I just look at that instead.

[snepp]

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I'm waiting for a stat that makes #2 hitters look better... meaning a stat that shows one's ability to move runners over.

You mean the ability to intentionally give up precious outs, rather than do something more conducive to scoring runs, like drawing a walk or getting a hit?

[fugazi]

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How about contact rate? What is it, BABIP? Maybe something different that highlighted one's tendency to make contact period.

[Blzer]

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You mean the ability to intentionally give up precious outs, rather than do something more conducive to scoring runs, like drawing a walk or getting a hit?

Not necessarily intentionally, but there's no such thing as a sacrifice grounder, which is every bit as productive as a sacrifice fly. Their numbers don't show up anywhere on the stat sheet, and even people who watch them play don't tend to notice that a run may score later only because of their ability to move that runner over.

I just don't know how such a thing would be calculated.

[Sandman42]

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How about contact rate? What is it, BABIP? Maybe something different that highlighted one's tendency to make contact period.

BABIP is Batting Average on Balls in Play. Usually the majority of batters have a BABIP around .300. It's a good stat to tell how lucky someone has been and can predict some future production. Someone with a sub-.300 BABIP is usually unlucky and should she an increase in his production as his BABIP regresses to the mean. Vice versa for some over .300.

[mjb2124]

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How about contact rate? What is it, BABIP? Maybe something different that highlighted one's tendency to make contact period.

But that doesn't include walks. I think a walk should be included in a stat to judge overall offensive production of a player.

[snepp]

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wOBA

It's like runs created on roids.

[CMH]

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I don't know...I haven't put a lot of thought into it, but I don't know that I'd want a guy who goes 1-4 with a HR over a guy who goes 4-4 with 4 1B's.

That's funny because both of those guys would have the same number of total bases.

But this is why it's just not enough information.

Did the 1-4 guy hit a grand slam? Did the 4-4 guy drive in any runs with those singles?

I think this argument is a lot like just looking at batting average and saying that Player A is clearly better than Player B.

Total Bases is an interesting number to look at but if you're going to do that then why not just look at OPS? OPS includes both SLG Percentage (which is Total Bases over At-Bats) and OBP. You're getting more and seeing more of the story, right?

Really, like mjb said, there is no one stat that gives you the novel. Some are chapters while others are paragraphs but you can't have chapters without paragraphs.

[ZB9]

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That's funny because both of those guys would have the same number of total bases.

But this is why it's just not enough information.

Did the 1-4 guy hit a grand slam? Did the 4-4 guy drive in any runs with those singles?

I think this argument is a lot like just looking at batting average and saying that Player A is clearly better than Player B.

yea good point imo...but im talking mainly about over the course of a season or over a series than in one single game. OPS, total bases, and any stat can be misleading if your only looking at one game.

Total Bases is an interesting number to look at but if you're going to do that then why not just look at OPS? OPS includes both SLG Percentage (which is Total Bases over At-Bats) and OBP. You're getting more and seeing more of the story, right?

Really, like mjb said, there is no one stat that gives you the novel. Some are chapters while others are paragraphs but you can't have chapters without paragraphs.

true...it all starts with total bases though

those numbers certainly tell you more than just batting average

[Sportsforever]

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That's funny because both of those guys would have the same number of total bases.

But this is why it's just not enough information.

Did the 1-4 guy hit a grand slam? Did the 4-4 guy drive in any runs with those singles?

I think this argument is a lot like just looking at batting average and saying that Player A is clearly better than Player B.

Total Bases is an interesting number to look at but if you're going to do that then why not just look at OPS? OPS includes both SLG Percentage (which is Total Bases over At-Bats) and OBP. You're getting more and seeing more of the story, right?

Really, like mjb said, there is no one stat that gives you the novel. Some are chapters while others are paragraphs but you can't have chapters without paragraphs.

That was my point...they both have the same number of total bases, but I wouldn't consider their offensive contributions equal. You are correct, however, in that more info is needed and I agree that one stat doesn't tell the whole story.

[CMH]

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Yea, I have a tendency to quote someone and only answer that quote in one paragraph and then break off into something else.