Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk
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Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk
Oh, and here's #754....
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280527107
Teahen hit the first pitch from Nathan past a diving Delmon Young in left field and it rolled to the wall. Teahen beat the relay throw home for the Royals' first inside-the-park homer since Aug. 20, 2006.
First, he had absolutely no business diving for that ball given the situation. Second, he sat on his *** while bitching at the ump for calling it fair (which it clearly was). And finally after getting off his *** he loafs to retrieve the ball (nice hustle buddy).
It's a good thing they ended up winning anyway, or I would have been positively inconsolable last night.
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You're right.
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Searches for Reasons #1-752.
Ah, search feature fails me again."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk
Oh, and here's #754....
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280527107
Young committed no less than 3 errors on that play, but since none of them involved physical contact with the ball there's no error on the play.
First, he had absolutely no business diving for that ball given the situation. Second, he sat on his *** while bitching at the ump for calling it fair (which it clearly was). And finally after getting off his *** he loafs to retrieve the ball (nice hustle buddy).
It's a good thing they ended up winning anyway, or I would have been positively inconsolable last night.
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He also said that baseball needs a new stat named "misplays" which would calculate how many bases a player's mistakes (defensively AND offensively) cost their team. Get picked off at first? One base goes in the "misplay" column. Fail to get down a bunt? Tack on another. Try to make a diving catch on a ball down the line which you should have just kept in front of you? Four bases under the misplay column. Interesting idea, there needs to be some way to track player mistakes that aren't counted as errors.Ryan Spencer
University of Missouri '09
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It's a nice idea but it's still like errors. It's all subjective."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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....in the same inning.
*sigh*
At least he got credited with the errors he clearly deserved.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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Are you aware that in this very forum in which you post there are people who use errors and fielding percentage as valid defensive evaluation methods? True fact.Comment
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You don't think they're valid methods of evaluation? Certainly they don't tell the whole story regarding a player's defense, but I wouldn't suggest they're broken. Some people rely on them too much, but as a statistic I think they generally serve their intended purpose.Comment
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They serve a purpose if they're used for what they are, the limited, highly misleading, and in many cases absolutely worthless statistics that they are.
I think what dk said is accurate, errors and fielding percentage get used constantly as an end-all-be-all of defensive ability and there is absolutely no reason to do so.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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Completely agree there, but they have worth if used correctly.Comment
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Errors have no worth. Cause people simply look at a lack of errors and assume a good fielder.Comment
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Example #755
Delmon Young, yet again. (he has a nice arm, but man can he be a turd in the field)
2 outs, single to left, Delmon overruns the ball, allows the hitter to advance to second, no error scored on the play.
Next hitter singles and scores the man on second who shouldn't have been there in the first place.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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