Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

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  • snepp
    We'll waste him too.
    • Apr 2003
    • 10007

    #1

    Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

    Oh yeah, and Cabrera is a douche.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3415430
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  • snepp
    We'll waste him too.
    • Apr 2003
    • 10007

    #2
    Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

    Oh, and here's #754....

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280527107

    Teahen hit the first pitch from Nathan past a diving Delmon Young in left field and it rolled to the wall. Teahen beat the relay throw home for the Royals' first inside-the-park homer since Aug. 20, 2006.
    Young committed no less than 3 errors on that play, but since none of them involved physical contact with the ball there's no error on the play.

    First, he had absolutely no business diving for that ball given the situation. Second, he sat on his *** while bitching at the ump for calling it fair (which it clearly was). And finally after getting off his *** he loafs to retrieve the ball (nice hustle buddy).

    It's a good thing they ended up winning anyway, or I would have been positively inconsolable last night.

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    • Blzer
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      • Mar 2004
      • 42520

      #3
      Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

      You're right.


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      • CMH
        Making you famous
        • Oct 2002
        • 26203

        #4
        Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

        Searches for Reasons #1-752.

        Ah, search feature fails me again.
        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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        • rspencer86
          MIB Crew
          • Sep 2004
          • 8806

          #5
          Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

          Originally posted by snepp
          Oh, and here's #754....

          http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280527107



          Young committed no less than 3 errors on that play, but since none of them involved physical contact with the ball there's no error on the play.

          First, he had absolutely no business diving for that ball given the situation. Second, he sat on his *** while bitching at the ump for calling it fair (which it clearly was). And finally after getting off his *** he loafs to retrieve the ball (nice hustle buddy).

          It's a good thing they ended up winning anyway, or I would have been positively inconsolable last night.

          [/rant]
          One of the local sports talk radio hosts here in KC went on a long rant about this play and the idea of "errors." His point was much the same as yours: does it make any sense at all that Young escaped being charged an error on the play? It was one of the worst plays you'll see an outfielder make. You have Joe Nathan on the mound and a three run lead. Keep the ball in front of you!

          He also said that baseball needs a new stat named "misplays" which would calculate how many bases a player's mistakes (defensively AND offensively) cost their team. Get picked off at first? One base goes in the "misplay" column. Fail to get down a bunt? Tack on another. Try to make a diving catch on a ball down the line which you should have just kept in front of you? Four bases under the misplay column. Interesting idea, there needs to be some way to track player mistakes that aren't counted as errors.
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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #6
            Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

            It's a nice idea but it's still like errors. It's all subjective.
            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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            • snepp
              We'll waste him too.
              • Apr 2003
              • 10007

              #7
              Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

              Originally posted by YankeePride
              It's a nice idea but it's still like errors. It's all subjective.
              Yes it would still be subjective, but it's never a bad thing to have more information available, especially where defense is concerned.
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              • 55
                Banned
                • Mar 2006
                • 20857

                #8
                Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

                The only thing Delmon Young didn't do wrong on that play was throw a bat at the umpire.

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                • snepp
                  We'll waste him too.
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 10007

                  #9
                  Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

                  Originally posted by Dislimb
                  The only thing Delmon Young didn't do wrong on that play was throw a bat at the umpire.
                  Tonight he threw a ball away and dropped an easy flyball....


                  ....in the same inning.

                  *sigh*


                  At least he got credited with the errors he clearly deserved.
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                  • dkgojackets
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 13816

                    #10
                    Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

                    Are you aware that in this very forum in which you post there are people who use errors and fielding percentage as valid defensive evaluation methods? True fact.

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                    • TheLetterZ
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 6752

                      #11
                      Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

                      Originally posted by dkgojackets
                      Are you aware that in this very forum in which you post there are people who use errors and fielding percentage as valid defensive evaluation methods? True fact.
                      You don't think they're valid methods of evaluation? Certainly they don't tell the whole story regarding a player's defense, but I wouldn't suggest they're broken. Some people rely on them too much, but as a statistic I think they generally serve their intended purpose.

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                      • snepp
                        We'll waste him too.
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 10007

                        #12
                        Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

                        They serve a purpose if they're used for what they are, the limited, highly misleading, and in many cases absolutely worthless statistics that they are.

                        I think what dk said is accurate, errors and fielding percentage get used constantly as an end-all-be-all of defensive ability and there is absolutely no reason to do so.
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                        • TheLetterZ
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6752

                          #13
                          Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

                          Completely agree there, but they have worth if used correctly.

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                          • ryanm1058123
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 3628

                            #14
                            Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

                            Errors have no worth. Cause people simply look at a lack of errors and assume a good fielder.

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                            • snepp
                              We'll waste him too.
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 10007

                              #15
                              Re: Example #753 why errors and fielding % are junk

                              Example #755

                              Delmon Young, yet again. (he has a nice arm, but man can he be a turd in the field)

                              2 outs, single to left, Delmon overruns the ball, allows the hitter to advance to second, no error scored on the play.

                              Next hitter singles and scores the man on second who shouldn't have been there in the first place.
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