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  • av7
    Hall Of Fame
    • Dec 2007
    • 11408

    #61
    Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...



    Weird, Chris Farley read my mind
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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #62
      Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

      Originally posted by zitomulder
      Actually I do, as I think it adds a lot more strategy to the game than the typical AL game. Where there is maybe one important decision per game.
      This argument is so overrated. One guy says it and now it's the staple of everyone's argument against the DH.

      Sure you don't have to double-switch or find another bat in the bench, but the strategy involved in pitching to a 9th hitter that is more times than not more skilled at the plate than a pitcher is profound.

      There are decisions being made in AL Parks all the time when a pitcher is forced to throw more pitches, pitch around more batters, and pick his spots when all 9 batters can hit the ball with authority.

      The strategy may not come from the manager as much as it does in the NL, but the strategy comes into play with the players. More specifically the pitcher and catcher.

      Lets not ignore that fact just because you may want baseball to be like the old days.
      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • CMH
        Making you famous
        • Oct 2002
        • 26203

        #63
        Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

        Also, because of the DH, managers in the AL must consider lefty-lefty, righty-righty matchups.

        Obviously, this happens in the NL too but my point is that the strategy isn't lost in the AL. That a lot of the time requires that a manager manage his bullpen and bench well.

        And, let me not get into how throwing more pitches forces starters out of a game sooner. That wastes the bullpen faster in the AL. There's a lot of strategy involved in managing that bullpen.

        Both leagues offer their own difference and both require just as much strategy as the other. The strategies just happen to be different.
        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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        • X*Cell
          Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
          • Sep 2002
          • 8107

          #64
          Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

          I don't agree with the reasoning from Hank... I mean... it's embarrassing for Chien-Ming... he should just be embarrassed...

          but really... the no-DH rule has to go...

          the NL sucks again this year... they are 50-72 at this very moment in interleague play and if the remaining games play out like they should... they'll be 51-74. Every game where you think the NL team should win based off record... they don't, because frankly, I just don't think the NL stacks up well to the AL at all. Maybe it's the rule... maybe it's not... but every other league in America uses the DH, so why shouldn't they?
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          • SlimKibbles
            Supporter
            • Apr 2004
            • 7276

            #65
            Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

            From Jayson Stark's column on Thursday

            • Memo to Hank Steinbrenner: You know how many American League pitchers besides Chien-Ming Wang have landed on the disabled list because they suffered an interleague-play injury while running the bases in the past five seasons? How about none, according to Baseball Prospectus' Will Carroll. So it's time for Hank to head for the dictionary and study the definition of "freak injury," because that's what this was.
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            • pfunk880
              MVP
              • Jul 2004
              • 4452

              #66
              Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

              Haha, the facts don't lie.
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              • Knight165
                *ll St*r
                • Feb 2003
                • 24964

                #67
                Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                Originally posted by X*Cell
                I don't agree with the reasoning from Hank... I mean... it's embarrassing for Chien-Ming... he should just be embarrassed...

                but really... the no-DH rule has to go...

                the NL sucks again this year... they are 50-72 at this very moment in interleague play and if the remaining games play out like they should... they'll be 51-74. Every game where you think the NL team should win based off record... they don't, because frankly, I just don't think the NL stacks up well to the AL at all. Maybe it's the rule... maybe it's not... but every other league in America uses the DH, so why shouldn't they?
                Ha...I remember hearing this ad nauseum in 2006, how badly the N.L. sucked.....and the interleague play record was just a foreshadowing of how badly the N.L. would get creamed in the series.
                Except somebody forgot to tell the Cardinals.
                When are people going to stop looking at the meaningless interleague W-L record?

                M.K.
                Knight165
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                • X*Cell
                  Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 8107

                  #68
                  Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                  Originally posted by Knight165
                  Ha...I remember hearing this ad nauseum in 2006, how badly the N.L. sucked.....and the interleague play record was just a foreshadowing of how badly the N.L. would get creamed in the series.
                  Except somebody forgot to tell the Cardinals.
                  When are people going to stop looking at the meaningless interleague W-L record?

                  M.K.
                  Knight165
                  Ok... since the DH was instituted in 1973, the NL is 14-21 in World Series victories.
                  SAN ANTONIO SPURS

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                  • ehh
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 28962

                    #69
                    Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                    Not to mention one Best of 7 series is not a good way to determine which league as a whole is better in any given year.

                    But when you add up the interleague records, All-Star game records and the WS records it's pretty obvious which league is better.
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