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  • Scottdau
    Banned
    • Feb 2003
    • 32580

    #121
    Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

    Dr. you realize that was because they only pitched to him with no one on base. When they had some one on base Bonds got walk it was BS, but I understand the Managers thinking. The best battle was when they let Gagne pitch to Bonds in the 9th they have a 2 run lead. Bonds crush it and made it a one run lead. I really want Dunn with the Giants. He is a great power hitter and he walks a lot too. Sure he S.O. a lot, but I will take those HR's

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    • snepp
      We'll waste him too.
      • Apr 2003
      • 10007

      #122
      Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

      Originally posted by dkgojackets
      I would say this is the job of all players at the plate.
      Unless of course for light-hitting middle-infielders that managers insist on hitting second in the lineup so that they can intentionally get themselves out on a regular basis.
      Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists Association

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      • PhantomPain
        MVP
        • Jan 2003
        • 3512

        #123
        Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

        Originally posted by snepp
        Unless of course for light-hitting middle-infielders that managers insist on hitting second in the lineup so that they can intentionally get themselves out on a regular basis.
        Or a centerfielder that thinks he should be a home run hitter when in fact he not only is horrible at hitting the ball but has a career OBP under .300 and the manager has a hard-on for him and tons of times this year was a the leadoff man. Kind of like playing your son in little league over a better player because he is your son.

        But hey, I'm not bitter about Corey Patterson making $3million a year
        #WeAreUK

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        • PhantomPain
          MVP
          • Jan 2003
          • 3512

          #124
          Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

          Originally posted by dkgojackets
          I would say this is the job of all players at the plate.



          Im not trying to pick a fight with anyone. I see what hes trying to say and hes right to an extent, but it is nitpicking and contrary to the big idea. Its a lot like saying that a low batting average means you are a bad "hitter" by literal definition of the word but you could still be good at "batting" if its countered with high OBP/SLG.
          Dk, I can see the big picture but the conversation at hand was about something specific. When someone uses OPS w/RISP to prove how good a hitter is at getting runs in when they are in scoring position, and I see how that OPS is skewed because of walks, then I made the point that I made. I wasn't trying to be specific and just ignore all aspects of the game. It was because something specific was said and I replied with a specific response to that post. But instead of you just agreeing with me on the point I was making, you kept bringing in other aspects that just weren't being discussed at that moment. In fact, this debate that I have made would have been over at least 3 pages ago had you not continued be trying to make it something it wasn't. Heck I even gave quotes in a recent post to describe exactly what I was replying to yet you still ignore it.

          Anyway, I know I am correct about Dunn not being good at hitting players in when they are in scoring position so I will stop replying to your off-topic posts. If you want to start a debate or conversation about anything else with Dunn then go ahead and lets talk about it. But if you paid attention you would see that I agree with a lot of what you say, it just happens to be that you wouldn't look at what I was saying and kept trying to make it more than what it was.
          #WeAreUK

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          • PhantomPain
            MVP
            • Jan 2003
            • 3512

            #125
            Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

            Originally posted by sportsdude
            I would counter that Dunn's job is not to get out. Sure a two-run single is great, but a GIDP is worse. I'd love to have Dunn knock in runners every time he's at bat and there's guys on base but that's just not realistic. If he can extend the inning, sometimes that's all you need. EE gets a lot of flack but he's not a shabby hitter either. Not great, but not terrible. If Dunn can extend the inning and give EE a chance to bat that's a lot better than a GIDP or a strikeout.

            and for what it's worth, I don't think dk is in here trying to pick a fight with you, Phantom. He's been much more civil in here than he has in some other threads. Not trying to take a shot at ya dk, but all those times you've been in the cell speak for themselves.
            I agree sportsdude, it is Dunn's job to not get out. He does that very well by getting all the walks he gets. The conversation at hand was purely in response to another post about Dunn's ability to knock in runners to which I replied he wasn't good at it. Unfortunately DK just wanted to make it a different conversation and disregarded what the actual debate was about. This whole conversation would have and could have ended about 3 pages ago.

            as far as DK not trying to pick a fight with me, I will just say that his condescending remarks have been made towards me before to where I fell into his trap and called him a name. Pretty immature by me. So when he makes underhanded comments or tries to disguise them as "internets" (come on dk, you didn't really say internets before did you?) fodder, I know he is just trying to bait me again. His ego is about as large as it can be and I guess I just don't have tolerance for it. But I appreciate your comment and I will be refraining from following into his trap again.
            #WeAreUK

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            • snepp
              We'll waste him too.
              • Apr 2003
              • 10007

              #126
              Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

              Originally posted by PhantomPain
              Or a centerfielder that thinks he should be a home run hitter when in fact he not only is horrible at hitting the ball but has a career OBP under .300 and the manager has a hard-on for him and tons of times this year was a the leadoff man. Kind of like playing your son in little league over a better player because he is your son.

              But hey, I'm not bitter about Corey Patterson making $3million a year


              Well said, and couldn't agree with you more. But hey, you don't have to worry about him clogging up the bases.
              Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists Association

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              • PhantomPain
                MVP
                • Jan 2003
                • 3512

                #127
                Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                Originally posted by snepp


                Well said, and couldn't agree with you more. But hey, you don't have to worry about him clogging up the bases.
                That may be the understatement of the year
                #WeAreUK

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                • sportsdude
                  Be Massive
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5001

                  #128
                  Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                  Originally posted by snepp


                  Well said, and couldn't agree with you more. But hey, you don't have to worry about him clogging up the bases.
                  praise Jebus.
                  Lux y Veritas

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                  • kayfngee
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 794

                    #129
                    Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                    Originally posted by PhantomPain
                    ok that is a completely flawed logic. When Dunn comes to the plate, like every other player in the league, and there are people on base his job is to try and get those runners home. Dunn does not go up there and think "let me play to my strength and just walk." No he goes up there trying to hit the ball and if he doesn't like a pitch or doesn't put a good pitch in play, he may work out a walk as a side effect. But when Dunn does swing and try and hit the ball and actually puts the ball in play, he is bad at it when there are RISP. Please try and debate this fact. If you can't then either start a new topic or stay out of debate.

                    Please stop trying to twist everything I say to your benefit of the argument. I have said time and time again that I agree that Dunn is valuable and that it isn't my debate. I have said in at least two or three posts exactly what my point was and you keep trying to spin it. Not sure why? Maybe you aren';t great at comprehending, I truly don't know.

                    I suggest if you can't read what I am posting and reply to the subject at hand, then maybe you shouldn't post at all in this thread.

                    Adam Dunn has 48 rbi in 110 PA with RISP. Albert Pujols has 46rbi in 111 PA with RISP. Nobody seems to care that Pujols walks a with RISP. Why is it such a problem when Adam Dunn does it?

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                    • PhantomPain
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 3512

                      #130
                      Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                      Originally posted by kayfngee
                      Adam Dunn has 48 rbi in 110 PA with RISP. Albert Pujols has 46rbi in 111 PA with RISP. Nobody seems to care that Pujols walks a with RISP. Why is it such a problem when Adam Dunn does it?
                      I really don't see how this thread could have anything else added to it, but since you asked:

                      Pujols bats .303 with a .512 OBP & .553 SLG% w/RISP

                      Dunn bats .242 with a .383 OBP & .560 SLG% w/RISP

                      And actually Dunn has 48 RBI's in 91 AB...Pujols has 46 RBI's in 76 AB.

                      Finally...this thread is about Dunn. Not Pujols. Dunn is not the complete player that Pujols is. In fact, he is no where near it.

                      But I do believe that Dunn is very valuable and at this point I hope he stays in Cincy.
                      #WeAreUK

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                      • kayfngee
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 794

                        #131
                        Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                        Originally posted by PhantomPain
                        I really don't see how this thread could have anything else added to it, but since you asked:

                        Pujols bats .303 with a .512 OBP & .553 SLG% w/RISP

                        Dunn bats .242 with a .383 OBP & .560 SLG% w/RISP

                        And actually Dunn has 48 RBI's in 91 AB...Pujols has 46 RBI's in 76 AB.

                        Finally...this thread is about Dunn. Not Pujols. Dunn is not the complete player that Pujols is. In fact, he is no where near it.

                        But I do believe that Dunn is very valuable and at this point I hope he stays in Cincy.

                        I'm not trying to put down Pujols in anyway. If you think I was, you misinterpreted what I intending to say. People in this post have been bashing Dunn for not driving in runs with RISP and for taking too many walks during these situations, but the man who is arguably the best hitter in baseball actually has 2 fewer RBI in 1 more plate appearance because he is also willing to take a walk.

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                        • kayfngee
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 794

                          #132
                          Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                          I forgot to mention that his biggest flaw is that he is terrible in the field. He takes poor angles, doesn't cover much ground and doesn't have that strong of an arm for a former QB who was recruited to play for Texas. He would be smart to go to the AL as soon as he can to DH or just to any team that would have good hitters behind him with how much he is on base.

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                          • duke776
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 3044

                            #133
                            Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                            He plays on a downright terrible team

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                            • DrJones
                              All Star
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 9109

                              #134
                              Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                              Originally posted by duke776
                              He plays on a downright terrible team
                              Not anymore.
                              Originally posted by Thrash13
                              Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                              Originally posted by slickdtc
                              DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                              Originally posted by Kipnis22
                              yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                              • duke776
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 3044

                                #135
                                Re: Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

                                Originally posted by DrJones
                                Not anymore.
                                Yup, still the team he plays on now isn't too great either(record wise) but at least they are winning their division.

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